Commentary for Avodah Zarah 111:7
ואלא מתניתין דקתני אינו עושה יין נסך עד שירד לבור לימא תלתא תנאי היא לא שאני יין נסך דאחמירו ביה רבנן
But what about our Mishnah which teaches, “It does not become yayin nesekh until it descends into the vat,” conclude that there are three tannaitic opinions. No; it is different as regards yayin nesekh because for the rabbis were strict with it;
Daf Shevui to Avodah Zarah
The Talmud now accepts this second baraita and reads the first baraita in its light. R. Akiva indeed holds that the liquid is not wine until it is put into the cask and there skimmed.
Ask RabbiBookmarkShareCopy
Daf Shevui to Avodah Zarah
There are now three tannaitic opinions as to when it becomes wine: 1) Mishnah—when it goes into the vat; 2) Anonymous opinion in the baraita—when it goes into the vat and is skimmed; 3) R. Akiva—when it goes into the cask and is skimmed.
Ask RabbiBookmarkShareCopy
Daf Shevui to Avodah Zarah
There are two resolutions to this difficulty. First of all, it may be that the entire comparison between tithes and yayin nesekh is unjustified. The rabbis were strict when it came to yayin nesekh—the liquid is subject to becoming yayin nesekh as soon as it goes down into the vat, even before it is skimmed. The dispute was only with regard to tithes.
But Rava did use a baraita about tithes in his understanding of the mishnah. Therefore, he must posit that there are indeed three opinions.
But Rava did use a baraita about tithes in his understanding of the mishnah. Therefore, he must posit that there are indeed three opinions.
Ask RabbiBookmarkShareCopy