Commentary for Menachot 111:2

מתקיף לה רבינא תינח לרבי יהודה לרבי שמעון מאי איכא למימר

but what is to be said if R'Simeon's view is followed?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' For according to him Nahshon's he-goat was different from ordinary sin-offerings, since it did not require laying on of hands, and presumably it did not require slaughtering on the north side; hence no term was necessary to exclude this.');">³</span> Thereupon Mar Zutra the son of R'Mari said to Rabina, But even according to R'Judah should we not say that that which is expressly included<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The rite of laying on of hands.');">⁴</span>

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