Commentary for Pesachim 38:4
האי מחט מאי עבידתיה אי נימא ספק מחט והא איתמר ר' אלעזר ור' יוסי בר' חנינא חד אמר לא גזרו על ספק הרוקין שבירושלים וחד אמר לא גזרו על ספק הכלים שבירושלים
No, said Raba: Leave the uncleanness of the knife, for even in the case of hullin it would not be unclean. [For] what did this knife touch [that it should be unclean]: shall we say that it touched the flesh, - Surely food cannot defile utensils; and if it touched the needle, - surely one utensil cannot defile another utensil.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Unless the former is a 'father' of uncleanness (v. p. 62, n. 2) . These hold good even by Rabbinical law, which enacted only that a liquid defiles utensils.');"><sup>6</sup></span>
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