Commentary for Pesachim 53:12

בשלמא למ"ד לוחשות אסורין משום דיש שבח עצים בפת אלא למ"ד אפילו לוחשות מותרות פת דאסר דיש שבח עצים בפת לרבי היכי משכחת ליה א"ר פפא כשאבוקה כנגדו

Rab Judah in Samuel's name, and R'Hiyya B'Ashi in R'Johanan's name [differ therein]: one says. They learned [this] only of dying coals, but live<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lit., 'whispering'. When the coals are burning brightly they seem to be moving and whispering to each other (Rashi) .');">²⁰</span> coals are forbidden;<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e., the bread is forbidden in Rabbi's view.');">²¹</span> while the other maintains, Even live coals too are permitted. As for the view that live [coals] are forbidden, it is well, [the reason being] because there is the improvement of the fuel in the bread.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' For the fuel is regarded as still in existence and directly baking the bread.');">²²</span> But on the view that even live [coals] are permitted, then how is the bread which is forbidden because there is the improvement of the fuel in the bread conceivable according to Rabbi?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' For obviously the bread does not bake until the fuel burns up, and by then it is a mass of coals.');">²³</span> - Said R'Papa: When the flame is opposite it.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Directly opposite the bread through the oven mouth.');">²⁴</span>

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