Talmud Bavli
Talmud Bavli

Mesorat%20hashas for Menachot 150:11

מאי הוי עלה רב ששת אמר אפילו פירורין שאין בהן כזית אמר רבא והוא דאיכא תוריתא דנהמא עלייהו:

Abaye said to him, Then according to the Tanna of the School of R'Ishmael who said, 'He must crumble [the meal-offerings] until they have been reduced to the fineness of the flour of which they had been made', it would not be necessary to say the benediction 'who bringest forth' -<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Since there are no pieces the size of an olive.');"><sup>16</sup></span> And should you say that it is so, but it has been taught:<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' V. Ber. 37b.');"><sup>17</sup></span> If a man gathered together crumbs from all of them<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Sc. from the five species of grain, v. supra p. 414 (Tosaf.) .');"><sup>18</sup></span> the size of an olive and ate them [on the Passover], if they were leavened he has thereby incurred the penalty of kareth,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' V. Glos.');"><sup>19</sup></span> but if unleavened he fulfils therewith his obligation on Passover!<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Thus crumbs when collected unto an olive's bulk are regarded as bread, consequently one must say over them the benediction 'who bringest forth'.');"><sup>20</sup></span> -We are dealing here<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' In the 'Baraitha quoted from Ber.');"><sup>21</sup></span> with the case where he pressed [the crumbs] into a compact mass.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Making one piece the size of an olive.');"><sup>22</sup></span> In that case, consider the comment on the above teaching: 'Provided he ate them<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Sc. the crumbs.');"><sup>23</sup></span> in the time it takes to eat half a loaf'.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e., a Piece of bread equivalent in size to four eggs (according to Maim: three) . The eating of the crumbs must not be spread out over a longer space of time.');"><sup>24</sup></span> Now if he pressed them into a compact mass it should have stated 'he ate it'! - Rather we are dealing here with the case where the crumbs come from a large loaf.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Since the whole loaf has not been reduced to crumbs but only a portion of it, the loose crumbs, even though each is less than an olive's bulk, are considered as of some worth, and when they make up an olive's bulk one must say over them the benediction 'who bringest forth'. Where, however, the entire cake is reduced to crumbs, as in the case of the meal-offering according to the view of the Tanna of the School of R. Ishmael, one would not have to say over them the benediction 'who bringest forth'.');"><sup>25</sup></span> What is the decision then?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Regarding the saying of the benediction for bread over pieces less than the size of an olive.');"><sup>26</sup></span> R'Shesheth said, Even though the pieces of bread [in the habiza] are not the size of an olive, [one must say the benediction 'who bringest forth']. Raba said, This is so provided they still have the semblance of bread.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e., the pieces of bread have not been soaked too long in the mixture so as to be reduced to a pulp.');"><sup>27</sup></span>

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