Talmud Bavli
Talmud Bavli

Talmud for Moed Katan 52:25

תנו רבנן ההולך ממקום למקום

then [in the case of] a rent made for a father or mother that is never to be reunited, [may he not] just as well [add to the rent]?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Even during the thirty days; as, even after the thirty days he would, according to the view expressed above, act like any other person according to the law and merely add to the rent a little, in tribute of the fresh loss; otherwise there is no concession in the case of a son mourning for a parent until the end of the year.');"><sup>21</sup></span> - [No, because] there [also the restriction is merely] out of the deference<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Not the law; hence after thirty days he merely adds to the rent.');"><sup>22</sup></span> due to one's father and mother. Our Rabbis taught: One who goes forth before the dead with a garment already rent, robs the dead and the living [relatives of their due]. Rabban Simeon B'Gamaliel says: If a man says to his friend, 'Lend me your cloak and I shall go and visit my father who is ill', and he went and found him already dead, he rends it and then mends the rent. After returning home he returns the cloak and compensates him for the damage done by the rent; but if he had not informed him [of his intention to visit his sick father], he must not touch it. Our Rabbis taught: If one who is ill sustains bereavement, they should not inform him thereof, lest he thereby become distracted in mind; nor do they direct to have any garments rent in his presence and they direct the women to keep silent [from lamenting] in his presence. Children may be made to rend their clothes in order to stir up sadness and garments are also rent for a father-in-law or mother-in-law, out of deference to one's wife. R'Papa said: It is taught in the Ebel Rabbathi:<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Cf. supra p. 148, n. 10.');"><sup>23</sup></span> 'A mourner should not set an infant on his knee, because the child may amuse him and he may thereby incur censure from his fellow men'. NOR DO THEY PROVIDE A REPAST SAVE<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' [MS.M. omits 'save', v. n. 6.]');"><sup>24</sup></span> [SEATED] ON UPRIGHT COUCHES.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' For the reading. v. supra p. 154, n. I.');"><sup>25</sup></span> Our Rabbis taught: 'One who goes to the house of a mourner, if he be on familiar terms with him, may provide the repast for him [to be taken]<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The one who provided the mourner's would also join him at the meal.');"><sup>26</sup></span> on overturned couches, but if not, he provides the repast for him [to be taken] on couches in erect position'.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' [Our Mishnah accordingly speaks of one who is not on familiar terms with the mourner. Raabad and others (v. Asheri) explain the Mishnah as referring to festival week, when in no case is the meal provided on overturned couches. As, however, no couches are overturned on festival week, the word 'SAVE' is redundant and on this interpretation is to be omitted, v. n. 3.]');"><sup>27</sup></span> Raba suffered a misfortune and Abba B'Martha, who is the same as Abba B'Manyomi, went to the house [to provide the mourner's repast for him]. Raba sat on all upright couch while Abba B'Martha sat on an overturned one. Said Raba: How lacking in [good] sense<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' As Raba and his visitor were not on intimate terms, it was presumptuous on the part of the visitor to sit low, while Raba out of deference to the visitor sat on the couch in its normal position.');"><sup>28</sup></span> is that Associate of the Rabbis! Our Rabbis taught: One who goes from place to place [and mourning befell him while being on the road],<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' So MS.M. Asheri and other texts.');"><sup>29</sup></span>

Jerusalem Talmud Moed Katan

Does one have to sever the trim330The double seem which forms the end of the garment at his neck. Rending of garments in mourning starts at the neck.? Rebbi Jeremiah, Rebbi Ḥiyya in the name of Rebbi Simeon ben Laqish: David grasped3042K. 1:11.. There is no grasping less than a hand-breadth331Babli 22b.. And tore them, Rebbi Simon in the name of Rebbi Joshua ben Levi: From here that he has to sever the trim332In the Babli 26b this is required only for father or mother.. If a relative died, he rends. If another relative died, even if he heard about his father or his mother, or his teacher who taught him wisdom, he rends one tear for all of them. Rebbi Jehudah ben Tema says, he rends for each one separately, only that he shall not make that for his father or his mother as an addition. Is that not the first {statement}333Since R. Jehudah ben Tema only requires that for every deceased there should be a separate action of rending, not that a new tear should be started at the rim of the garment.? But he may not add to that for his father or his mother. Rebbi Ḥelbo and Rav Mattana, Yose ben Manisha in the name of Rav: Practice follows Rebbi Jehudah ben Tema. If a relative died, he rends. If another relative died, he adds to the tear and rends. How far? Rebbi Ḥanina said, until he reaches to his navel. An old man stated before Rebbi Ze`ira: Even if he receives another garment during all the Seven he is obligated to rend334He is not permitted to wear a whole garment during the Seven days of mourning.. Rebbi Ze`ira said to him, this you are saying about other relatives. But for his father and his mother even after the Seven he is required to rend. If a relative died, he rends. If another relative died, he moves three finger-widths and rends. If the front is full he starts in the back. If the upper part is full he starts with the bottom part335Babli 26b.. If both of them are full, Rebbi Ḥiyya the son of Rebbi Ada from Yafo says, he became shabby336Since in shabby clothing he is not permitted to lead in prayer, he has to get another garment and rend it..
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