Bava Kamma 161

שיהו מרעין בחורשין ומלקטין עצים בשדותיהם ומלקטים עשבים בכל מקום חוץ מתלתן וקוטמים נטיעות בכל מקום חוץ מגרופיות של זית ומעין היוצא בתחילה בני העיר מסתפקין ממנו ומחכין בימה של טבריא ובלבד שלא יפרוס קלע ויעמיד את הספינה

That cattle be permitted to pasture in woods;<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The reason is given below. ');">¹</span> that wood may be gathered [by all] in private fields;<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The reason is given below. ');">¹</span>

ונפנין לאחורי הגדר ואפילו בשדה מליאה כרכום ומהלכים בשבילי הרשות עד שתרד רביעה שניה ומסתלקין לצידי הדרכים מפני יתידות הדרכים והתועה בין הכרמים מפסיג ועולה מפסיג ויורד ומת מצוה קונה מקומו:

that grasses may similarly be gathered [by all] in all places, with the exception, however, of a field where fenugrec is growing;<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The reason is given below. ');">¹</span> that shoots be permitted to be cut off [by all] in all places. with the exception, however, of stumps of olive trees;<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The reason is given below. ');">¹</span>

שיהו מרעין בחורשין אמר רב פפא לא אמרן אלא דקה בגסה אבל דקה בדקה וגסה בגסה לא וכל שכן גסה בדקה דלא:

that a spring emerging [even] for the first time may be used by the townspeople; that it be permitted to fish with an angle in the Sea of Tiberias, provided no sail is spread as this would detain boats [and thus interfere with navigation]; that it be permitted to ease one's self at the back of a fence even in a field full of saffron; that it be permitted [to the public] to use the paths in private fields until the time when the second rain is expected;<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e., the seventeenth of Marcheshvan; cf. Ta'an. 6b and Ned VIII, 5. ');">²</span> that it be permitted to turn aside to [private] sidewalks in order to avoid the road-pegs; that one who has lost himself in the vineyards be permitted to cut his way through when going up and cut his way through when coming down;<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Though damage be done thereby to the vineyard. ');">³</span>

ומלקטין עצים משדותיהם לא אמרן אלא בהיזמי והיגי אבל בשאר עצים לא ואפילו בהיזמי והיגי לא אמרן אלא במחוברין אבל בתלושין לא

and that a dead body, which anyone finds has to bury should acquire [the right to be buried on] the spot [where found]. 'That cattle be permitted to pasture in woods.' R. Papa said: This applies only to small cattle pasturing in big woods<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Where the trees would thereby not be damaged. ');">⁴</span>

ואפי' במחוברין לא אמרן אלא בלח אבל ביבשים לא ובלבד שלא ישרש:

for in the case of small cattle pasturing in small woods or big cattle in big forests it would not be permitted,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' On account of the damage which could be done to the trees. ');">⁵</span> still less big cattle pasturing in small woods.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' On account of the damage which could be done to the trees. ');">⁵</span>

ומלקטין עשבים בכל מקום חוץ משדה תלתן למימרא דתלתן מעלו לה עשבים ורמינהי תלתן שעלתה עם מיני עשבים אין מחייבין אותו לעקור

'That wood may be gathered [by all] in private fields: 'This applies only to [prickly shrubs such as] Spina regia and hollow.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Or other kinds of thorns and thistles. ');">⁶</span> For in the case of other kinds of wood it would not be so. Moreover, even regarding Spina Regia and hollow, permission was not given except where they were still attached to the ground, but after they had been already broken off [by the owner] it would not be so.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' As they would then be the exclusive property of the owner. ');">⁷</span>

אמר רב ירמיה לא קשיא כאן לזרע כאן לזירין לזרע קשו לה עשבים דמכחשי לה לזירין מעלי לה דכי קיימי ביני עשבים מירכבא

Again, even in the case of shrubs still attached to the soil, permission was not given except while they were still in a wet state, but once they had become dry it would not be so.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' As they would then be the exclusive property of the owner. ');">⁷</span> But in any case it is not permitted to uproot [them].

איבעית אימא כאן לאדם כאן לבהמה דכיון דלבהמה הוא דזרעה עשבים נמי מיבעי לה ומנא ידעינן א"ר פפא שאריה משארי לאדם לא שאריה משארי לבהמה:

'That grasses may similarly be gathered [by all] in all places, with the exception, however, of a field where fenugrec is growing.' Does this mean to say that fenugrec derives some benefit from grasses?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Which have thus to be preserved. ');">⁸</span> If so, a contradiction could be pointed out [from the following:] 'If fenugrec is mixed up with other kinds of grasses, the owner need not be compelled to tear it out<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' So as not to transgress Lev. XI. 19: 'thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed'; cf. also Shek. I, 1-2. ');">⁹</span>

וקוטמין נטיעה בכל מקום חוץ מגרופיות של זית פי' ר' תנחום ור' ברייס משום זקן אחד בזית כביצה בקנים ובגפנים מן הפקק ולמעלה ושאר כל האילנות מן אובו של אילן ולא מן חודו של אילן

[for he will do it in any case on account of the fact that the grasses spoil the fenugrec'.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Kil. II, 5. ');">¹⁰</span> Now, does this not prove that grasses are disadvantageous to fenugrec?] — Said R. Jeremiah: There is no contradiction, for while the latter statement refers to the seeds,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Which will be used for sowing purposes. ');">¹¹</span>

מן חדש שאינו עושה פירות ולא מן ישן שהוא עושה פירות ממקום שאינו רואה את החמה

the former deals with the pods.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Which are used as food. ');">¹²</span> It is only to the seeds that grasses are disadvantageous as they make them lean, whereas to the pods<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' So that the stipulation of Joshua should have practical application where it was sown for the use of man. ');">¹³</span> they are advantageous, for when placed between grasses they get softer. Or if you like I can say that while one statement refers to fenugrec sown for the use of man, the other refers to fenugrec sown for animals, for since it was sown for animals grasses are also required for it. How can we tell [for what it was sown]?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' So that the stipulation of Joshua should have practical application where it was sown for the use of man. ');">¹³</span> — R. Papa said: If made in beds it is sown for man, but if not in beds it is for animals. 'That shoots be permitted to be cut off [by all] in all places, with the exception, however, of stumps of olive trees.' R. Tanhum and R. Barias explained in the name of a certain old man that in the case of an olive tree the size of the length of an egg has to be left over at the bottom; in the case of reeds and vines [it is only] from the knot and upwards<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Cf. B.B. 80b. ');">¹⁴</span> [that it is permitted to cut off shoots]; in the case of all other trees [it is permitted only] from the thick parts of the tree but not from the central part of the tree, and only from a new bough that has not yet yielded fruit but not from an old bough which is yielding fruit; again, only from such spots [on the tree] as do not face the sun