Chullin 149

Chapter 149

א בשחיטה יבישתא ודלא כרבי שמעון
1 It was a dry slaughtering,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' No blood flowed out at the time of the slaughtering so that not even the dam was rendered susceptible to contract uncleanness. The act of slaughtering alone, according to this Tanna, does not render the animal susceptible to uncleanness, contra R. Simeon.');"><sup>1</sup></span>
ב מאן תנא
2 and this ruling is not in accordance with R'Simeon's view.
ג עבר בנהר הוכשר הלך לבית הקברות נטמא
3 Who is the Tanna that taught: 'If it waded through a river it has thereby become susceptible to uncleanness and if it next passed through a cemetery it has thereby become unclean'?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' In other words, that a living animal can contract uncleanness.');"><sup>2</sup></span>
ד אמר רבי יוחנן
4 - R'Johanan said: It is R'Jose the Galilean.
ה רבי יוסי הגלילי היא
5 For it was taught: R'Simeon B'Eleazar says in the name of R'Jose the Galilean: It contracts food uncleanness,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' This living animal, extracted out of the slaughtered dam's womb, would be rendered unclean, like an ordinary foodstuff, if it came into contact with uncleanness.');"><sup>3</sup></span>
ו דתניא רבי שמעון בן אלעזר אומר משום רבי יוסי הגלילי
6 and needs to be rendered susceptible [to contract uncleanness].
ז מטמא טומאת אוכלים וצריך הכשר
7 The Sages say,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' In Tosef. Hul. IV, 'Rabbi says'.');"><sup>4</sup></span>
ח וחכמים אומרים
8 It does not contract food uncleanness, for it is a living being, and whatsoever lives cannot contract food uncleanness.
ט אינו מטמא טומאת אוכלין מפני שהוא חי וכל שהוא חי אינו מטמא טומאת אוכלין
9 R'Johanan is indeed consistent in his view, for R'Johanan had also said that R'Jose the Galilean and Beth Shammai held the same view.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' That living animals can contract uncleanness.');"><sup>5</sup></span>
י ואזדא רבי יוחנן לטעמיה דאמר רבי יוחנן
10 R'Jose the Galilean expressed it [in the Baraitha we quoted] above.
יא רבי יוסי הגלילי וב"ש אמרו דבר אחד
11 Beth Shammai expressed it [in the following Mishnah]:<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' 'Uk. III, 8.');"><sup>6</sup></span>
יב רבי יוסי הגלילי הא דאמרן ב"ש דתנן
12 For we learnt: When do fish contract uncleanness?
יג דגים מאימתי מקבלין טומאה
13 Beth Shammai say: As soon as they have been caught.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Even though they still live.');"><sup>7</sup></span>
יד ב"ש אומרים
14 Beth Hillel say: Only when they are dead.
טו משיצודו וב"ה אומרים
15 R'Akiba says: From the moment that they cannot live.
טז משימותו רבי עקיבא אומר
16 What is the difference between them?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Between R. Akiba and Beth Hillel (R. Gershom) , or between R. Akiba and Beth Shammai (Tosaf.) .');"><sup>8</sup></span>
יז משעה שאין יכולין לחיות
17 R'Johanan replied: A fish that is struggling.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e., in the throes of death and could not live even if put back into the water. According to Beth Hillel it cannot contract uncleanness; htn according to R. Akiba, it can. (R. Gershom) . V. however Tosaf. s.v. .');"><sup>9</sup></span>
יח מאי בינייהו
18 R'Hisda raised the question: What is the law if such defects as [render an animal] trefah occurred in fish?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Are fish rendered susceptible to contract uncleanness as soon as they have sustained a physical injury which in an animal would render it trefah or not? This question obviously arises only according to R. Akiba's view supra.');"><sup>10</sup></span>
יט אמר רבי יוחנן
19 This question can be asked both according to him who holds that a trefah animal can continue to live [for twelve months or more] and also according to him who holds that a trefah cannot continue to live.
כ דג מקרטע איכא בינייהו
20 According to him who holds that a trefah can continue to live this question can be asked, for perhaps this is so<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Sc. that a trefah can continue to live.');"><sup>11</sup></span>
כא בעי רב חסדא
21 only in the case of animals whose vital force is considerable but not in the case of fishes whose vital force is slender.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' It might therefore be said that a fish, considering its low state of vitality the moment it sustains a physical injury is regarded as dead and is susceptible to contract uncleanness.');"><sup>12</sup></span>
כב נולדו בדגים סימני טרפה מהו
22 And according to him who holds that a trefah cannot continue to live this question can also be asked, for perhaps this is so<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Sc. that a trefah cannot continue to live and so might be regarded as dead.');"><sup>13</sup></span>
כג תיבעי למ"ד טרפה חיה ותיבעי למ"ד טרפה אינה חיה
23 only in the case of animals, since to its kind slaughtering applies,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Since slaughtering applies to animals and a trefah cannot be slaughtered it might well be regarded as dead, but this is not so in the case of fishes.');"><sup>14</sup></span>
כד תיבעי למ"ד טרפה חיה
24 but not to the case of fishes, since slaughtering does not apply to its kind!<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' In MS.M. and according to the text before Rashi the reading is: since to its kind the rules of trefah apply . . since the rules of trefah do not apply to its kind'. Shittah Mekubbezeth.');"><sup>15</sup></span>
כה בהמה הוא דנפישא חיותה אבל דגים דלא נפישא חיותייהו לא
25 - It remains undecided.
כו או דילמא אפי' למ"ד טרפה אינה חיה הני מילי בהמה דיש במינה שחיטה אבל דגים דאין במינן שחיטה (אימא) לא
26 If an animal cast forth an abortion, the fat thereof, says R'Johanan, is as the fat of an animal.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' And is forbidden to be eaten under the penalty of Kareth, v. Lev. VII, 25.');"><sup>16</sup></span>
כז תיקו
27 R'Simeon B'Lakish says: It is as the fat of a wild beast.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e., the fat is as the flesh, and he who eats it is liable for infringing the prohibition of nebelah, (Deut. XIV, 21) which only involves a flogging but not Kareth. The prohibition of fat does not apply to that of a beast of chase.');"><sup>17</sup></span>
כח הטילה נפל רבי יוחנן אמר
28 R'Johanan said: The fat thereof is as the fat of an animal, because [the coming into] the world<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lit., 'air'.');"><sup>18</sup></span>
כט חלבו כחלב בהמה ורבי שמעון בן לקיש אמר
29 renders it [an animal].<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The abortion is therefore regarded as an animal with all the restrictions attached thereto.');"><sup>19</sup></span>
ל חלבו כחלב חיה
30 R'Simeon B'Lakish said, [The fat thereof is] as the fat of a wild beast, because [the fulfilment of] the months [of pregnancy] is [also] essential in order t render it [an animal].
לא רבי יוחנן אמר
31 Others report it thus: Where the months of pregnancy had not been fulfilled [there is no doubt at all that] it is of no consequence.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e., the fat of such foetus is certainly not forbidden as fat.');"><sup>20</sup></span>
לב חלבו כחלב בהמה אוירא גרים רבי שמעון בן לקיש אמר
32 They differ only in the case where a person put his hand into the womb of an animal, tore away some fat from the living nine months' foetus within, and ate it.
לג חלבו כחלב חיה חדשים גרמי
33 R'Johanan says: This fat is as the fat of [an animal], because the [fulfilment of the] months [of pregnancy] alone renders it [an animal].
לד איכא דאמרי
34 R Simeon B'Lakish says: It is as the fat of a wild beast, because the [fulfilment of the] months [of pregnancy] coupled with the [coming into the] world renders it [an animal].
לה כל היכא דלא כלו לו חדשיו לא כלום הוא
35 R'Johanan raised this objection against R'Simeon B'Lakish.
לו כי פליגי היכא דהושיט ידו למעי בהמה ותלש חלב של בן ט' חי ואכל
36 [It was taught:] Just as 'the fat and the two kidneys' referred to in the case of the guilt-offering precludes that of a foetus,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The guilt-offering had to be a male animal, hence the fat mentioned with regard to it which was to be offered upon the altar (cf. Lev. VII, 3, 4) cannot include that of a foetus found in the womb of the animal offered.');"><sup>21</sup></span>
לז רבי יוחנן אמר
37 so wherever ['fat' is stated] precludes that of a foetus.
לח חלבו כחלב בהמה חדשים גרמי רבי שמעון בן לקיש אמר
38 Now according to my view, [says R'Johanan], it is right that the verse finds it necessary to preclude it;<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Since for all purposes the fat of a nine months' living foetus is like that of an ordinary animal.');"><sup>22</sup></span>
לט חלבו כחלב חיה חדשים ואוירא גרמי
39 but according to you, why is it necessary to preclude it?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Seeing that the fat thereof is not regarded as the fat of an animal.');"><sup>23</sup></span>
מ איתיביה ר' יוחנן לרבי שמעון בן לקיש
40 - He replied: I derive my view from this very passage.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' From the fact that the law expressly excludes the fat of the foetus from sacrificial rites R. Simeon b. Lakish concludes that such fat is in no wise deemed fat.');"><sup>24</sup></span>
מא מה חלב ושתי כליות האמורות באשם מוצא מכלל שליל אף כל מוצא מכלל שליל
41 Others report it as follows: R'Simeon B'Lakish raised this objection against R'Johanan.
מב בשלמא לדידי היינו דאיצטריך קרא למעוטי אלא לדידך אמאי איצטריך
42 [It was taught]: Just as 'the fat and the two kidneys' referred to in the case of the guilt-offering precludes that of a foetus, wherever ['fat' is stated] it precludes that of a foetus.
מג אמר ליה
43 Now according to my view, [says R'Simeon B'Lakish,] it is right that the Divine Law precluded it;<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' For it is not like ordinary fat.');"><sup>25</sup></span>
מד טעמא דידי נמי מהכא
44 but according to you, why should it not be offered [upon the altar]? - He replied: It is like an animal which has not reached the prescribed age.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Which in the first seven days of its life, though in every respect an animal, may not be offered as a sacrifice (cf. Ex. XXII, 29) . Likewise with the fat of the foetus, although it is regarded as fat in every respect, it is nevertheless forbidden for sacrificial purposes.');"><sup>26</sup></span>
מה ואיכא דאמרי איתיביה רבי שמעון בן לקיש לרבי יוחנן
45 R'Ammi said: If a person slaughtered a trefah animal and found in it a nine months' living foetus, according to him who forbids [the other<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The nine months' living foetus found in the womb of a slaughtered animal; v. supra, the Mishnah 740.');"><sup>27</sup></span>
מו מה חלב ושתי כליות האמורות באשם מוצא מכלל שליל אף כל מוצא מכלל שליל
46 without slaughtering] it is permitted,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' By its own slaughtering; for it is a separate being, unaffected by its dam.');"><sup>28</sup></span>
מז בשלמא לדידי משום הכי מיעטיה רחמנא אלא לדידך ליקרב
47 and according to him who permits [the other without slaughtering] it is forbidden.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Even if it was itself slaughtered; for slaughtering does not apply to it. And it is not permitted by its dam since the dam was a trefah.');"><sup>29</sup></span>
מח א"ל
48 Raba said: Even according to him who permits [the other without slaughtering] it is permitted, for the Divine Law permits [the foetus] by [the slaughtering of any two out of] four organs.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e., either the two organs of its dam or its own two organs, for the foetus is rendered permitted either by its own slaughtering or by the slaughtering of its dam.');"><sup>30</sup></span>
מט מידי דהוה אמחוסר זמן
49 R'Hisda said: If a person slaughtered a trefah animal and found in it a nine months' living foetus,
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נא השוחט את הטרפה ומצא בה בן ט' חי לדברי האוסר מתיר לדברי המתיר אוסר
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נב רבא אמר
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נג לדברי המתיר נמי מותר ד' סימנין אכשר ביה רחמנא
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נד אמר רב חסדא השוחט את הטרפה ומצא בה בן ט' חי
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