Chullin 191

Chapter 191

א ולא מהדרינן בטביעות עינא
1 whereas we do not return it [to anyone who recognizes it] by mere general impressions.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' But only to a scholar, cf. B.M. 23b.');"><sup>1</sup></span>
ב השתא דשמעתינהו להני שמעתתא אמינא
2 But now, having heard the above decisions, I maintain that [identification by] general impression is the more reliable.
ג טביעות עינא עדיפא
3 For should you not say so, how is it that a blind man is permitted [to cohabit] with his wife, or all people with their wives at night?
ד דאי לא תימא הכי היאך סומא מותר באשתו
4 It is only by recognition of the voice; so in all cases general impression [is reliable].
ה ובני אדם איך מותרין בנשותיהן בלילה
5 Isaac, son of R'Mesharsheya said: You may know it from this too; for if two witnesses were to come and say: 'So-and-so who has this or that distinguishing mark killed a person',<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' These witnesses do not claim to know the murderer except that he had certain distinguishing marks.');"><sup>2</sup></span>
ו אלא בטביעות עינא דקלא הכא נמי בטביעות עינא
6 we should not put him to death, but if they were to say: 'We recognize him', we would put him to death.
ז אמר רב יצחק בריה דרב משרשיא
7 R'Ashi said: You may also know it from this; for if a man were to say to his messenger.'
ח תדע דאילו אתו בתרי ואמרי
8 Call So-and-so who has this or that distinguishing mark', there is a doubt whether he would know him or not, but if he [the messenger] is able to recognize him, when he sees him he would certainly know him.
ט פלניא דהאי סימניה והאי סימניה קטל נפשא לא קטלינן ליה
9 <big><b>MISHNAH: </b></big>WHEN A PERSON REMOVES THE SCIATIC NERVE HE MUST REMOVE ALL OF IT.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' This is the view of R. Meir, supra 92b, that one must follow up the tracks of the nerve in all its ramifications.');"><sup>3</sup></span>
י ואילו אמרי
10 R'JUDAH SAYS, ONLY SO MUCH AS IS NECESSARY TO FULFIL THE PRECEPT OF REMOVING IT.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' It is sufficient if one removes the upper part of the nerve, i.e., that part which is visible at the hip-joint.');"><sup>4</sup></span>
יא אית לן טביעות עינא בגויה קטלינן ליה
11 IF A PERSON ATE AN OLIVE'S BULK OF THE SCIATIC NERVE, HE HAS INCURRED FORTY STRIPES.
יב אמר רב אשי
12 IF HE ATE THE WHOLE OF IT AND IT WAS NOT AS MUCH AS AN OLIVE'S BULK, HE IS NEVERTHELESS LIABLE.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Although the minimum quantity for constituting eating is an olive's bulk, where the thing prohibited by the Torah is in its entirety less than the size of an olive, e.g., an ant, one incurs the penalty for eating the whole of it.');"><sup>5</sup></span>
יג תדע דאילו א"ל איניש לשלוחיה
13 IF HE ATE AN OLIVE'S BULK OF IT FROM ONE THIGH AND ANOTHER OLIVE'S BULK OF IT FROM THE OTHER THIGH, HE HAS INCURRED EIGHTY STRIPES.
יד קרייה לפלניא דהאי סימניה והאי סימניה ספק ידע ליה ספק לא ידע ליה
14 R'JUDAH SAYS, HE HAS INCURRED ONLY FORTY STRIPES.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Because the Prohibition according to R. Judah applies only to one thigh, the right thigh.');"><sup>6</sup></span>
טו ואילו אית ליה טביעות עינא בגויה כי חזי ליה ידע ליה:
15 <big><b>GEMARA: </b></big>Bar Piuli was standing in the presence of Samuel and was porging<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e., removing the sciatic nerve from the thigh.');"><sup>7</sup></span>
טז <big><strong>מתני׳</strong></big> הנוטל גיד הנשה צריך שיטול את כולו
16 a side of meat.
יז ר' יהודה אומר
17 He was only cutting away the surface [of the nerve], so Samuel said to him, 'Go down deeper; had I not seen you, you might have given me forbidden meat to eat'.
יח כדי לקיים בו מצות נטילה
18 He was alarmed at this, and the knife fell out of his hand.
יט האוכל מגיד הנשה כזית סופג ארבעים אכלו ואין בו כזית חייב
19 Said Samuel to him, 'Be not alarmed, for he who taught you this taught you according to the view of R'Judah'.
כ אכל מזה כזית ומזה כזית סופג שמונים
20 R'Shesheth said: That part which Bar Piuli had removed, is according to R'Judah forbidden by the Torah.
כא ר' יהודה אומר
21 Then it follows, does it not, that the part which he [Bar Piuli] did not remove, is according to R'Judah forbidden Rabbinically?
כב אינו סופג אלא ארבעים:
22 If so, according to whose view was he [Bar Piuli] taught this?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lit., 'he who taught him according to whose view did he teach him'? For it is clear that the whole of the nerve must be removed if only by Rabbinic injunction. The question therefore is: Whose view did Bar Piuli adopt by cutting away only the surface?');"><sup>8</sup></span>
כג <big><strong>גמ׳</strong></big> בר פיולי הוה קאי קמיה דשמואל וקא מנקר אטמא הוה קא גאים ליה
23 - R'Shesheth therefore said: That part which Bar Piuli had removed, is [according to R'Meir]<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' So MS.M., and also according to Bah's gloss. This is also the view of R. Judah.');"><sup>9</sup></span>
כד א"ל
24 forbidden by the Torah, but that part which he did not remove, is forbidden Rabbinically, only according to R'Meir, for according to R'Judah it is permitted even Rabbinically.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' So that Bar Piuli acted entirely in accordance with R. Judah's view.');"><sup>10</sup></span>
כה חות ביה טפי
25 IF A PERSON ATE AN OLIVE'S BULK OF THE SCIATIC NERVE etc. Samuel said: The Torah forbade only that part [of the nerve] which is on the spoon,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The muscles at the proximal end of the thigh are rounded and convex like the back of a spoon. Only that part of the sciatic nerve which runs in these muscles, says Samuel, is prohibited.');"><sup>11</sup></span>
כו השתא לא חזיתך ספיתא לי איסורא
26 for it is written: Which is upon the spoon of the thigh.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Gen. XXXII, 33. V. supra, p. 500, n. 2.');"><sup>12</sup></span>
כז אירתת נפל סכינא מידיה
27 R'Papa said: This [statement of Samuel] is the subject of dispute between Tannaim; for it was taught: If a person ate [the whole of] it and it was not as much as an olive's bulk, he is nevertheless liable.
כח א"ל
28 R'Judah Says [He is not liable] unless it was as much as an olive's bulk.
כט לא תירתת דאורי לך כרבי יהודה אורי לך
29 What is the reason of the Rabbis? - Because it is a complete entity in itself.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' And this was prohibited by the Torah even though the whole of it is not as large as an olive.');"><sup>13</sup></span>
ל אמר רב ששת
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לא מאי דשקל בר פיולי דאורייתא לרבי יהודה
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לב מכלל דשייר דרבנן לר' יהודה
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לג אלא דאורי ליה כמאן אורי ליה
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לד אלא אמר רב ששת
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לה מאי דשקל בר פיולי דאורייתא ומאי דשייר דרבנן לר"מ
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לו דאי רבי יהודה אפילו מדרבנן שרי:
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לז האוכל מגיד הנשה [וכו']:
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לח אמר שמואל
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לט לא אסרה תורה אלא שעל הכף בלבד שנאמר
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מ (בראשית לב, לג) על כף הירך
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מא אמר רב פפא כתנאי
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מב אכלו ואין בו כזית חייב רבי יהודה אומר
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מג עד שיהא בו כזית
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מד מ"ט דרבנן בריה (בפני עצמה) היא
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