Chullin 37

Chapter 37

א והלכתא

1 But the law is: [If the windpipe was cut] at or below the point where the thyroid cartilage narrows,1

ב משיפוי כובע ולמטה כשרה והיינו דשייר בחיטי

2 the slaughtering is valid.

ג רב נחמן אכשר משיפוי כובע ולמטה

3 This then corresponds with [the aforementioned view that] if the knife cut through the arytenoid cartilages, leaving part of them [on the side of the head the slaughtering is valid].

ד אמר ליה רב חנן בר רב קטינא לרב נחמן

4 R'Nahman held that the slaughtering was valid [if the windpipe was cut] at or below the point where the thyroid cartilage narrows.

ה כמאן

5 R'Hanan son of R'Kattina asked R'Nahman: But whose view do you adopt?

ו לא כרבנן ולא כרבי יוסי ברבי יהודה

6 It is neither the view of the Rabbis nor that of R'Jose son of R'Judah [of our Mishnah]!<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' For according to the Rabbis the slaughtering must be performed entirely within the large ring, and according to R. Jose b. R. Judah at least the greater part of the slaughtering must be in the large ring, whereas R. Nahman permits the slaughtering at the thyroid cartilage which is completely above the large ring.');">2

ז אמר ליה

7 - He replied.

ח אנא לא חילק ידענא ולא בילק ידענא אנא שמעתא ידענא דא"ר חייא בר אבא א"ר יוחנן ואמרי לה א"ר אבא בר זבדא א"ר חנינא ואמרי לה א"ר יעקב בר אידי א"ר יהושע בן לוי

8 I know no Hillak and no Billak;<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Fictitious names for any person (similar to our 'Tom, Dick and Harry') . V. Sanh. 98b. According to a view in Rashi the interpretation is: I know ekhj of no opinion which insists on severing (= Heb.) the top ring completely (i.e., the view of the Rabbis in the Mishnah) , nor of any opinion ekhc ekj which insists on rending (= Heb.) the greater portion of it (i.e., the view of R. Jose b. R. Judah) etc. . V. Aruch s.v. VI.');">3

ט משיפוי כובע ולמטה כשרה

9 I only know a tradition.

י ואריב"ל

10 For R'Hiyya B'Abba, said in the name of R'Johanan (some read: R'Abba B'Zabda said in the name of R'Hanina, and others read: R'Jacob B'Idi said in the name of R'Joshua B'Levi.)

יא מוגרמת דרבנן כשרה לרבי יוסי בר' יהודה ודרבי יוסי ברבי יהודה כשרה לרבי חנינא בן אנטיגנוס

11 At or below the point where the thyroid cartilage narrows the slaughtering is valid.

יב פשיטא

12 R'Joshua B'Levi also said: That which is regarded as a deflection by the Rabbis4

יג מהו דתימא ר"ח בן אנטיגנוס אדרבנן קאי קא משמע לן

13 is permitted by R'Jose B'Judah, and that which is regarded as a deflection by R'Jose B'Judah5

יד ואימא ה"נ

14 is permitted by R'Hanina B'Antigonos.6

טו א"כ העיד עליה מיבעי ליה והלכתא כר' חנינא בן אנטיגנוס דקאי רב נחמן כוותיה

15 Is not this obvious? - You might have thought that the statement of R'Hanina B'Antigonos refers to that of the Rabbis;7

טז אמר רב הונא אמר רב אסי

16 we are therefore taught that it does not.

יז מחלוקת בששחט שני שליש והגרים שליש דרבנן סברי

17 But perhaps it does? - If so, it should read: 'He testified concerning it [that it was permitted]'.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The fact that R. Hanina b. Antigonos testifies 'that a deflection . . indicates that he refers to deflection in general, for were he to refer to the deflection contemplated by the Rabbis he would have testified in these words: 'concerning it'.');">8

יח כולה שחיטה בעינן בטבעת גדולה ורבי יוסי ברבי יהודה סבר

18 The law is in accordance with the view of R'Hanina B'Antigonos, since R'Nahman agrees with him.

יט רובו ככולו אבל הגרים שליש ושחט שני שליש דברי הכל פסולה דכי נפקא חיותא בעינן רובא בשחיטה וליכא

19 R'Huna said in the name of R'Assi: They differ9

כ א"ל רב חסדא

20 only where the slaughterer cut10

כא אדרבה לימא מר איפכא

21 two thirds [of the windpipe in the top ring] and then the last third above it;11

כב מחלוקת כשהגרים שליש ושחט שני שליש דרבי יוסי ברבי יהודה סבר

22 for the Rabbis hold the view that all the slaughtering must be within the top ring and R'Jose son of R'Judah holds the view that the greater portion is equal to the whole.

כג מידי דהוה אחצי קנה פגום ורבנן

23 But in the case where the slaughterer first cut a third above the top ring and then the other two thirds in it, all are of the opinion that the slaughtering is invalid; because at the moment when the life escapes12

כד התם מקום שחיטה הכא לאו מקום שחיטה

24 the greater portion should have been cut in the ritual manner13

כה אבל שחט שני שליש והגרים שליש דברי הכל כשרה דהא תנן

25 and this was not the case here.

כו רובו של אחד כמוהו

26 Said R'Hisda to him: On the contrary, the Master might just as well say the opposite thus: They differ9

כז א"ל רב יוסף

27 only where the slaughterer first cut a third above the top ring and then the other two thirds in it-according to R'Jose son of R'Judah it is analogous with the case where half the windpipe was mutilated<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' V. infra 28a. In the case of a bird, which, according to law only requires one of the organs to be cut, if half the windpipe was mutilated before the slaughtering by reason of an accident, and a person cut just a fraction more of the windpipe according to ritual, the slaughtering is valid, although when the life escaped the greater part had not been cut in the ritual manner. In our case, therefore, the cutting outside the prescribed area should be regarded as a mutilation of the windpipe, so that when the greater part of the windpipe is cut immediately afterwards the slaughtering should be valid.');">14

כח מאן נימא לן דההוא רובא דהתם לאו רבי יוסי ברבי יהודה קתני לה

28 [before the slaughtering], and according to the Rabbis [it is to be distinguished thus:] in the latter case [the mutilation was] in the prescribed area for slaughtering,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' And as such mutilation is not considered a defect it is as though the animal were not affected, and when the life escapes the greater part of the windpipe is severed within the prescribed area.');">15

כט דלמא רבי יוסי בר' יהודה קתני לה

29 whereas in our case [the cutting of the first third] was outside the prescribed area for slaughtering.

ל אמר ליה אביי

30 But where the slaughterer first cut two thirds [in the top ring] and then the last third above it, all are of the opinion that the slaughtering is valid, for we have learnt [in a Mishnah The greater part of an organ is equivalent to [the whole of] it!<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Therefore whatever is done to the windpipe after the greater portion of it has been cut through is of no consequence and cannot affect the already valid slaughtering. V. infra 27a.');">16

לא אטו כל רובי דעלמא רבי יוסי ברבי יהודה קתני להו

31 R'Joseph said to him: Who can tell us that the rule there concerning the greater portion is not the view of R'Jose son of R'Judah?

לב אמר ליה

32 It might indeed be the [individual] opinion of R'Jose son of R'Judah! - Abaye interposed: Are you suggesting that wherever it is held that a majority is sufficient it is the individual opinion of R'Jose son of R'Judah? - He replied.

לג אנא רובא דשחיטה קאמינא דשמענא להו דפליגי

33 I mean that the view that a majority is sufficient in matters concerning shechitah [is the individual opinion of R'Jos son of R'Judah], for we know that the Rabbis hold a different view.

לד לישנא אחרינא אמרי לה אמר רב הונא אמר רב אסי

34 Another version of the above reads as follows: R'Huna said in the name of R'Assi: They differ only where the slaughterer first cut a third above [the top ring] and then the other two thirds in it - according to R'Jos son of R'Judah it is analogous with the case where half the windpipe was mutilated [before the slaughtering] and according to the Rabbis [it is to be distinguished thus:] in the latter case [the mutilation was] within the prescribed area for slaughtering, whereas in our case [the cutting of the first third] was outside the prescribed area for slaughtering.

לה מחלוקת שהגרים שליש ושחט שני שליש דרבי יוסי בר ר' יהודה סבר

35 But in the case where the slaughterer first cut two thirds [in the top ring] and then the last third above it, all are of the opinion that the slaughtering is valid, for we have learnt: The greater part of an organ is equivalent to [the whole of] it.

לו מידי דהוה אחצי קנה פגום ורבנן

36 To this R'Hisda demurred: Who can tell us that the rule there concerning the greater portion is not the view of R'Jose son of R'Judah?

לז התם מקום שחיטה הכא לאו מקום שחיטה

37 It might indeed be the [individual] opinion of R'Jose son of R'Judah! Said R'Joseph to him: Are you suggesting that wherever it is held that a majority is sufficient it is the individual opinion of R'Jose B'Judah? - He replied I mean that the view that a majority is sufficient in matters concerning shechitah [is the individual view of R'Jose B'R'Judah], for we know that the Rabbis hold a different view.

לח אבל שחט שני שליש והגרים שליש דברי הכל כשרה דהא תנן

38 If a slaughterer first cut a third [of the windpipe] outside the prescribed area, another third within it, a the last third outside it,17

לט רובו של אחד כמוהו

39 R'Huna said in the name of Rab that the slaughtering was valid; Rab Judah said in the name of Rab that the slaughtering was invalid.

מ מתקיף לה רב חסדא

40 R'Huna said in the name of Rab that it was valid', because at the moment when the life escaped he was cutting in the ritual manner.'

מא מאן לימא לן דההוא רובא דהתם לאו רבי יוסי ברבי יהודה קתני לה

41 Rab Judah said in the name of Rab that it was invalid', because the greater portion of the cutting must be in the ritual manner, and this was not the case here.

מב דלמא רבי יוסי ברבי יהודה קתני לה

42 If a slaughterer first cut a third [of the windpipe] within the prescribed area, another third outside it an the last third within it Rab Judah said in the name of Rab that the slaughtering was valid.

מג א"ל רב יוסף

43 When this case was put to R'Huna, he said that the slaughtering was invalid.

מד אטו כל רובי דעלמא רבי יוסי ברבי יהודה קתני להו

44 Rab Judah heard of this and became annoyed, saying: 'When I say invalid he says valid, and when I say valid he says invalid!' R'Huna then said: 'He is rightly annoyed.

מה אמר ליה

45 In the first place, he heard the decision from Rab himself and I did not; and in the second place, in this case the greater portion of the cutting was in the ritual manner'.

מו אנא רובא דשחיטה קאמינא דשמענא להו דפליגי

46 Thereupon R'Hisda said to him, 'Do not withdraw your decision,

מז הגרים שליש ושחט שליש והגרים שליש רב הונא אמר רב

מח כשרה רב יהודה אמר רב

מט טרפה

נ רב הונא אמר רב כשרה כי נפקא חיותא בשחיטה קא נפקא

נא רב יהודה אמר רב טרפה בעינן רובא בשחיטה וליכא

נב שחט שליש והגרים שליש ושחט שליש רב יהודה אמר רב

נג כשרה

נד אתו שיילוה לרב הונא אמר להו

נה טרפה

נו שמע רב יהודה איקפד אמר

נז טריפנא ומכשר ומכשרנא טריף

נח אמר רב הונא

נט שפיר קא מיקפד

ס חדא איהו שמיע ליה מיניה דרב ואנא לא שמיע לי

סא ועוד האיכא רובא בשחיטה

סב א"ל רב חסדא

סג לא תהדר בך

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