Chullin 84

Chapter 84

א בשלמא לתנא דידן דתנא תנא ודשייר אתיא בזה הכלל

1 Of course to the Tanna of our Mishnah this is no difficulty, for he merely mentioned some1

ב אלא לתנא דבי ר' ישמעאל דאמר י"ח טרפות ותו ליכא

2 [defects], whilst those which he omitted to mention he intended to include under the general head, THIS IS THE RULE.

ג והא איכא

3 But against the Tanna of the school of R'Ishmael who expressly mentions the number eighteen, it will be asked: Are there no more?

ד בהמה שנחתכו רגליה מן הארכובה ולמעלה טרפה

4 Is there not [also]: An animal whose hind leg was cut off above the knee-joint is trefah?2

ה סבר ליה כרבי שמעון בן אלעזר דאמר

5 - He [the Tanna of the school of R'Ishmael] concurs with the view expressed by R'Simeon B'Eleazar that [the wound] could be cauterized and the animal could recover.3

ו יכולה היא ליכוות ולחיות

6 Granted, however, that it could be cauterized and the animal could recover, but are we not arguing upon the view of the Tanna of the school of R'Ishmael?

ז אע"ג דיכולה ליכוות ולחיות למאן קאמר

7 And he is of the view that a trefah animal can continue to live!4

ח לתנא דבי רבי ישמעאל

8 - Rather [say].

ט תנא דבי ר' ישמעאל טרפה חיה ס"ל

9 He concurs with R'Simeon B'Eleazar who [indeed] declares [that in such a case the animal is] permitted.5

י אלא סבר לה כר"ש בן אלעזר דאמר

10 But is there not the case of a deficiency of the spine?

יא כשרה היא

11 For we have learnt: What is considered a deficiency of the spine?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' V. Ohol. II, 3. A complete spine of a corpse will render unclean men and vessels that are in the same 'tent' or under the same roof, but if it is incomplete it will only convey uncleanness by contact or by carrying, but will not render unclean men and vessels that are in the same 'tent'.');">6

יב והאיכא

12 Beth Shammai say.

יג חסרון בשדרה דתנן

13 If two vertebrae were missing; Beth Hillel say: If only one was missing.

יד כמה חסרון בשדרה

14 And Rab Judah said in the name of Samuel that their views are the same with regard to trefah.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e., according to Beth Shammai if two vertebrae of the spine of an animal were missing it is trefah, and according to Beth Hillel, even if only one was missing.');">7

טו בש"א

15 - The [piercing of the] omasum and the reticulum which you reckon as two cases you ought to reckon as one, so that you may exclude one and add this8

טז שתי חוליות וב"ה אומרים

16 in its place.

יז חוליא אחת

17 But is there not the case of an animal which was stripped of its hide?9

יח ואמר רב יהודה אמר שמואל

18 - He concurs with the view of R'Meir that it is permitted.

יט וכן לטרפה

19 But is there not the case of an animal whose lungs were shrivelled up?10

כ המסס ובית הכוסות דקא חשבת להו בתרתי חשבינהו בחדא אפיק חדא ועייל חדא

20 - Who is it that includes the [piercing of the] gall-bladder in the list of defects?

כא והאיכא גלודה

21 It is R'b.

כב סבר לה כר"מ דמכשיר

22 R'Judah.

כג והא איכא חרותא

23 You should therefore exclude11

כד מרה מאן קתני לה

24 the case of the gall-bladder and insert the case of the shrivelled lungs in its place.

כה ר' יוסי ברבי יהודה אפיק מרה ועייל חרותא

25 But are there not the following seven statements [which should be included]? (

כו והאיכא שב שמעתתא

26 i) R'Mattena said: If the top of the femur slipped out of its socket, the animal is trefah;12

כז דאמר רב מתנא

27 Rakish B'Papa said in the name of Rab: If one kidney was diseased it is trefah,13

כח האי בוקא דאטמא דשף מדוכתיה טרפה

28 Further we have learnt: If the spleen was gone the animal is permitted.14

כט ואמר רכיש בר פפא משמיה דרב

29 But R''Awira said in the name of Raba: This was taught only in the case where the spleen was gone, but (iii) if the spleen was pierced it is trefah;15

ל לקתה בכוליא אחת טרפה

30 Rabbah B'Bar Hana said in the name of Samuel: If the greater part of the organs of the throat was torn away, it is trefah.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e., the greater part of the circumference of one of the organs of the throat was violently torn away from its connection on top, even though it is still attached in part. V. infra 44a. According to R. Hananel: The organs of the throat were separated from each other.');">16

לא ותנן

31 And further Rabbah son of R'Shila said in the name of R'Mattena who reported in the name of Samuel,17

לב ניטל הטחול כשרה

32 If a rib was dislodged from its socket, or (vi) if the greater part of the skull was shattered, or (vii) if the greater part of the membrane18

לג ואמר רב עוירא משמיה דרבא

33 which covers the greater portion of the rumen [was torn], it is trefah! - The eight cases of piercing<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The piercing of the gullet, the membrane of the skull, the heart, the lung, the abomasum, the intestines, the rumen, and the omasum and reticulum. The gall-bladder has been excluded supra.');">19

לד לא שנו אלא ניטל אבל ניקב טרפה

34 [enumerated in the Mishnah] you ought to reckon under one head; so that by eliminating seven cases you can insert these seven statements in their stead.

לה ואמר רבה בר בר חנה אמר שמואל

35 If so, you ought also to reckon under one head the two cases of severing;20

לו סימנים שנדלדלו ברובן טרפה

36 consequently there is one short of the number.

לז ואמר רבה בר רב שילא אמר רב מתנא אמר שמואל

37 Moreover, R''Awira's case is also a case of piercing, is it not?21

לח נעקרה צלע מעיקרה טרפה וגולגולת שנחבסה ברובה ובשר החופה את רוב הכרס ברובו טרפה

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לט נקובי תמניא הוו חשבינהו בחד אפיק שב ועייל שב

מ אי הכי פסוקי נמי תרי הוו חשבינהו בחד בצר להו חדא

מא ועוד דרב עוירא משמיה דרבא נמי נקובה היא

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