Chullin 85

Chapter 85

א אלא הנך תרתי דאפקת לא תיפוק
1 You have no other alternative but to say that the two cases<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e., the case of an animal whose hind leg was cut off, and the case of the animal which was stripped of its hide.');"><sup>1</sup></span>
ב אמר עולא ח' מיני טרפות נאמרו לו למשה בסיני
2 which were excluded above must now be added.
ג נקובה ופסוקה נטולה וחסורה קרועה ודרוסה נפולה ושבורה
3 Ulla said: Eight types of [defects as] trefah were communicated to Moses on Mount Sinai: If [an organ was] pierced, or severed, or gone, or deficient, or torn, or [if the animal was] clawed, or fell [from a height], or limb was] fractured.
ד לאפוקי לקותא דרכיש בר פפא
4 This clearly excludes disease [of the kidneys] mentioned by Rakish B'Papa.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' It is evident that Ulla regards as trefah only those defects which are traumas and excludes such defects caused by internal disorder or degeneration of an organ.');"><sup>2</sup></span>
ה אמר חייא בר רבא
5 Hiyya B'Rab said: There are eight cases of trefah included under the head of piercing.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e., those enumerated in our Mishnah, v. p. 229, n. 5. Hiyya b. Rab hereby definitely excludes R. 'Awira's case of the perforation of the spleen.');"><sup>3</sup></span>
ו ח' טרפות יש בנקובה
6 If you say there are nine [enumerated in the Mishnah], you must remember that the piercing of the gall-bladder is the ruling of R'Jose son of R'Judah only.
ז אם תאמר
7 For it was taught: If the abomasum or the intestines were pierced it is trefah.
ח ט' מרה ר' יוסי ברבי יהודה קתני לה דתניא
8 R'Jose son of R'Judah says: Even if the gall-bladder was pierced.
ט ניקבה הקיבה ניקבו הדקים טרפה
9 <br>(Mnemonic: The halachah.
י רבי יוסי בר' יהודה אומר
10 The colleague.
יא אף ניקבה המרה
11 An olive's bulk.
יב (הלכות חבר כזית מרה וקורקבן סימן)
12 The gall-bladder.
יג אמר רבי יצחק בר' יוסף אמר רבי יוחנן
13 The gizzard.)
יד הלכה כר' יוסי בר' יהודה
14 R'Isaac son of R'Joseph said in the name of R'Johanan: The halachah follows the view of R'Jose son of R'Judah.
טו ואמר רבי יצחק בר' יוסף אמר רבי יוחנן
15 R'Isaac son of R'Joseph further said in the name of R'Johanan: What was the reply of the colleagues of R'Jose son of R'Judah?
טז מאי אהדרו ליה חבריה לר' יוסי בר' יהודה
16 [They said: It is written,] He poureth out my gall upon the ground,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Job. XVI, 13.');"><sup>4</sup></span>
יז (איוב טז, יג) ישפוך לארץ מררתי ועדיין איוב קיים
17 nevertheless Job continued to live! He retorted: You may not quote miraculous deeds [in support of an argument].
יח אמר להם
18 Otherwise you might as well ask, it is written: He cleaveth my reins asunder and doth not spare;<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Job. XVI, 13.');"><sup>4</sup></span>
יט אין מזכירין מעשה נסים
19 could he then continue to live on?
כ דאי לא תימא הכי (איוב טז, יג) יפלח כליותי ולא יחמול מי קא חיי
20 You must therefore admit that a miracle is an exceptional case; [and the whole treatment of Job was miraculous] for it is written: Only spare his life,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Ibid. II, 6. The afflictions of Job were such as in ordinary cases would prove fatal but in his case it was ordained that, whatever sufferings befall him, his life was to be spared.');"><sup>5</sup></span>
כא אלא ניסא שאני דכתיב
21 and so here<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' With reference to the gall.');"><sup>6</sup></span>
כב (איוב ב, ו) רק את נפשו שמור הכא נמי ניסא שאני
22 a miracle is an exceptional case.
כג ואמר ר' יצחק ברבי יוסף אמר ר' יוחנן
23 R'Isaac son of R'Joseph further said in the name of R'Johanan: The halachah follows the view of him who says: 'an olive's bulk'.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e., if there remained of the liver an olive's bulk, although the rest of the liver had been removed or had wasted away, the animal is permitted. V. infra 46a.');"><sup>7</sup></span>
כד הלכה כדברי האומר כזית
24 But did R'Johanan really say this?
כה ומי אמר רבי יוחנן הכי
25 Did not R'Johanan<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' In the ed. the reading is, 'Rabbah b. Bar Hana said in the name of R. Johanan', but the first named Amora is omitted in many MSS.; v. D.S.');"><sup>8</sup></span>
כו והאמר רבה בר בר חנה אמר ר' יוחנן
26 say that the halachah was in accordance with the ruling of an anonymous Mishnah?
כז הלכה כסתם משנה
27 And we have learnt: IF THE LIVER WAS GONE AND NAUGHT REMAINED.
כח ותנן
28 Now it follows that if aught remained, even less than an olive's bulk, it is permitted! - Amoraim differ as to R'Johanan's view.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' R. Isaac b. Joseph the author of our statement is of the opinion that the principle laid down by R. Johanan was not to be applied generally, and certainly would not apply to the case of an anonymous Mishnah which is contradicted by another anonymous Mishnah, as here our Mishnah, supra 42a, is contradicted in its ruling with regard to the liver by the Mishnah which follows, infra 54a.');"><sup>9</sup></span>
כט ניטלה הכבד ולא נשתייר הימנה כלום הא נשתייר כשרה אע"ג דלא הוי כזית
29 R'Isaac son of R'Joseph further said in the name of R'Johanan: If the gall-bladder was pierced but the liver completely closed up [the hole], it is permitted.
ל אמוראי נינהו ואליבא דר' יוחנן
30 R'Isaac son of R'Joseph further said in the name of R'Johanan: If the [muscular covering of the] gizzard was pierced but the inner lining was intact, it is permitted.
לא דאמר ר' יצחק בר' יוסף אמר ר' יוחנן
31 The question was raised: What is the law if the inner lining was pierced but the muscular covering was intact? - Come and hear: R'Nahman taught: If one [coat of the gizzard] was pierced but not the other, it is permitted.
לב מרה שניקבה וכבד סותמתה כשרה
32 Rabbah said: The gullet has two coats, the outer red and the inner white; if one was perforated but not the other, it is permitted.
לג ואמר רבי יצחק בר' יוסף אמר ר' יוחנן
33 Why was it necessary to state that the outer coat was red and the inner white? - To teach that if these coats interchanged, it is trefah.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e., if it was found that the inner coat of the gullet was red and the outer white, the animal or bird is trefah.');"><sup>10</sup></span>
לד ניקב הקורקבן וכיס שלו קיים כשר
34 The question was raised: What is the law if both coats were pierced, one hole, however, not coinciding with the other? - Mar Zutra said in the name of R'Papa: In the gullet this would be permitted, but in the gizzard it would be trefah.
לה איבעיא להו
35 R'Ashi demurred: The contrary should be the rule; as the gullet contracts and expands when [the animal] eats or bellows, it may sometimes happen that one hole will coincide with the other,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' And it should be trefah, for it must be remembered that the two coats of the gullet are but loosely connected by submucous fibers, and therefore the coincidence of the holes is quite probable.');"><sup>11</sup></span>
לו ניקב הכיס וקורקבן קיים מאי
36 whereas the gizzard is at rest and the holes will always remain where they are.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' And so it should be permitted.');"><sup>12</sup></span>
לז תא שמע דאמר רב נחמן
37 R'Aha the son of R'Joseph said to R'Ashi: We have indeed received the tradition in the name of Mar Zutra who reported in the name of R'Papa as you have suggested it.
לח ניקב זה בלא זה כשר
38 Rabbah further said: A membrane which was formed in consequence of a wound in the gullet is no membrane.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e., it is no protection and it is trefah.');"><sup>13</sup></span>
לט אמר רבא
39 Rabbah further said: The gullet cannot be examined from the outside but only from the inside.
מ שני עורות יש לו לוושט חיצון אדום ופנימי לבן ניקב זה בלא זה כשר
40 For what purpose is this stated?
מא למה לי למימר
41 
מב חיצון אדום ופנימי לבן
42 
מג דאי חליף טרפה
43 
מד אבעיא להו
44 
מה ניקבו שניהם זה שלא כנגד זה מהו
45 
מו אמר מר זוטרא משמיה דרב פפא
46 
מז בוושט כשר בקורקבן פסול
47 
מח מתקיף לה רב אשי
48 
מט אדרבה וושט דאכלה ביה ופעיא ביה רווח גמדא ליה ופשטה ליה זמנין דמיהנדזין בהדי הדדי
49 
נ קורקבן דמינח נייח כדקאי קאי
50 
נא א"ל רב אחא בריה דרב יוסף לרב אשי
51 
נב הכי אמרינן משמיה דמר זוטרא דאמר משמיה דרב פפא כוותיך
52 
נג ואמר רבה
53 
נד קרום שעלה מחמת מכה בוושט אינו קרום
54 
נה ואמר רבה
55 
נו וושט אין לו בדיקה מבחוץ אלא בפנים למאי נפקא מינה
56 
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