Eruvin 67

אמאי נימא כיון דאי בעי אמטויי מצי ממטי ליה אע"ג דלא אמטייה כמאן דאמטייה דמי

Now, why [should this<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The carrying of an 'erub to the place one wishes to acquire as his Sabbath abode.');">¹</span> at all be necessary]? Let it rather be land down:<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' As was done in the case of the basket, that, since one might incline it etc., it is the same as if one actually did it.');">²</span> Since one could carry it<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' To the required spot.');">³</span>

א"ר זירא גזירה משום י"ט שחל להיות אחר שבת

if one wished, [the 'erub], though one had not actually carried it, is deemed to have been carried? - R'Zera replied: This<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The carrying of an 'erub to the place one wishes to acquire as his Sabbath abode.');">¹</span> is a preventive measure against the possibility of [not carrying it<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' To the required spot.');">³</span> even when] a festival occurred on a Sunday.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lit., ' (the day) after the Sabbath'. In such a case the 'erub, if it is to be effective for the festival, must be carried to the required spot on the Sabbath eve. It cannot be taken there on the Sabbath when the carrying of objects is forbidden. Consequently, had it not been instituted that an 'erub must always be carried to the required spot, one might erroneously have formed the opinion that even in the case postulated the carrying of the 'erub to the required spot is unnecessary; and this would have had the result that the 'erub could be ineffective, since in this case carrying on the Sabbath being forbidden, the principle, 'Since it might be carried etc.' is obviously inapplicable.');">⁴</span> He pointed out to him [another] objection: If a man, intending to acquire his Sabbath abode in a public domain, deposited his 'erub in a wall<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' That was more than four cubits distant from the 'abode'. If it was within the four cubits the 'erub is valid in both the following cases as explained supra in the case of a tree.');">⁵</span>

איתיביה נתכוון לשבות ברה"ר והניח עירובו בכותל למטה מעשרה טפחים עירובו עירוב למעלה מי' טפחים אין עירובו עירוב נתכוון לשבות בראש השובך או בראש המגדל למעלה מי' טפחים עירובו עירוב למטה מי' טפחים אין עירובו עירוב

lower than ten handbreadths [from the ground], his 'erub is effective,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Since it is possible to carry it from the wall to the 'abode' in small stages of less than four cubits. Such a mode of carrying is forbidden on the Sabbath proper by a Rabbinical measure only; and, as the twilight of the Sabbath eve is regarded as Sabbath proper also by a Rabbinical measure only and as one Rabbinical measure cannot he imposed upon another, the carrying in small stages has not been forbidden at twilight when the acquisition of the 'abode' takes place.');">⁶</span> [but if he deposited it] above [a height of] ten handbreadths [from the ground]<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' So that the erub rested in a private domain.');">⁷</span> his 'erub is ineffective.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Since it is forbidden even at twilight to convey from a private domain (v. previous note) into a public domain (where the man would be standing when taking down the 'erub from the wall) .');">⁸</span> If he intended to make his abode on the top of a dove-cote, or on the top of a turret, his 'erub i valid [if it lay<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' In the dove-cote or turret.');">⁹</span>

ואמאי הכי נמי נימא הואיל ויכול לנטותו ולהביאו לתוך עשרה א"ר ירמיה הכא במגדל מסומר עסקינן

at a height] above ten handbreadths [from the ground;<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Though the man could not carry the 'erub from its place to his abode, on account of the public domain which intervened between his private domain and that in which the 'erub lay (cf. Shab. 96a) he could well descend to the level where the 'erub was deposited and consume it there, since in respect of 'erub and 'abode' all space above ten handbreadths from the ground is regarded as one and the same domain.');">¹⁰</span> but if it lay at a level] below ten handbreadths [from the ground]<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' If the cote or turret, for instance, had several compartments one above the other, and the 'erub lay in one of the lower ones.');">¹¹</span> his 'erub is ineffective.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Since such a place has the status of a karmelith from which it is forbidden to carry the 'erub to the top of the cote or turret on account of the public domain that intervened between them. Should the man descend to the level of the 'erub to consume it there, he would be leaving the domain of his abode for another domain which is contrary to the requirement that the 'erub must be in a positioned from which it can be taken to the abode and eaten there.');">¹²</span> but why?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Should an 'erub below a level of ten handbreadths be ineffective.');">¹³</span>

רבא אמר אפילו תימא במגדל שאינו מסומר והכא במגדל ארוך עסקינן דאי ממטי ליה פורתא אזיל חוץ לארבע אמות

Could it not be said here also<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' As was said by R. Jeremiah (supra 33b ad fin.) regarding the basket.');">¹⁴</span> [that the 'erub is effective] 'since one could incline [the dove-cote or the turret] and so lower it to a level of les than<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lit., 'to bend it and bring it to within'.');">¹⁵</span> ten [handbreadths from the ground]'?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' By lowering it to that altitude the 'abode' would be situated in a public domain into which, as explained supra, that two Rabbinical measures are not imposed upon one another, it is permitted at twilight of the Sabbath eve to carry from a karmelith. This Baraitha obviously represents the view of Rabbi (v. Supra 32b) since its first clause recognizes the validity of an 'erub that was deposited in a wall below ten handbreadths from the ground though in such circumstances the man's abode is in a public domain while his 'erub is in a karmelith.');">¹⁶</span> - R'Jeremiah replied: Here we are dealing with a turret<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Or dove-cote.');">¹⁷</span>

היכי דמי אי דאיכא כוותא ומתנא לייתיה בכוותא ומתנא דלית ליה כוותא ומתנא:

that was nailed [to the wall].<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' So that it cannot be moved from its position.');">¹⁸</span> Raba replied: It<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The Baraitha under discussion.');">¹⁹</span> may be said to refer even to a turret<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Or dove-cote.');">¹⁷</span> that was not nailed [to a wall], for we might be dealing with a high turret<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' One higher than four cubits.');">²⁰</span>

נתנו בבור אפילו עמוק מאה אמה וכו': האי בור דקאי היכא אילימא דקאי ברשות היחיד

which, were one to incline it a little,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' To lower its top to an altitude of less than ten handbreadths.');">²¹</span> it would project<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' On account of its size.');">²²</span> beyond [the original area of] four cubits.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' In which it was originally situated and which constituted the man's abode. An 'erub cannot be effective unless it call be consumed within four cubits of the original position of the abode.');">²³</span> But how is one to imagine [the circumstance]? If [the turret] had a window, and a cord [also was available, why should not the 'erub] be taken up through the window by means of the cord?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Pulling with a cord in such circumstances is only a Rabbinical prohibition which, as explained Supra, does not apply to the twilight if Sabbath eve when the Sabbath abode is acquired. (This note follows Rashi's second, while the previous notes on the passage are based on Rashi's first explanation.)');">²⁴</span> - This is a case where there was neither window nor cord. IF HE DEPOSITED IT IN A CISTERN EVEN IF IT IS A HUNDRED CUBITS DEEP etc. Where was this CISTERN situated? If it be suggested that it was situated in a private domain,