Eruvin 72

Chapter 72

א דאי סלקא דעתך תחילת היום קונה עירוב אי אמר עירבו לי בזה אמאי לא אמר כלום
1 for if you should entertain the view that the validity takes effect at the beginning of the [Sabbath] day<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e., at the end of twilight of Sabbath eve.');"><sup>1</sup></span> [the difficulty would arise:] Why 'if he said: "Prepare with this an 'erub for me" is his statement null and void'?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' At the time the Sabbath begins the lagin is no longer unclean and, since its contents are proper and clean terumah, it should provide an effective 'erub. As the ruling, however, is that the 'erub is ineffective it must be concluded that the validity takes effect at the conclusion of the Sabbath eve, i.e., as explained supra, at the beginning of twilight, at which time the contents of the lag in were still tebel of the first tithe and unfit for consumption and consequently unsuitable as an 'erub.');"><sup>2</sup></span> - R'Papa retorted: It may still be maintained<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lit., 'you may even say'.');"><sup>3</sup></span>
ב אמר רב פפא אפילו תימא תחילת היום קונה עירוב בעינן סעודה הראויה מבעוד יום וליכא:
2 that the validity of an 'erub takes effect at the beginning of the [Sabbath] day, yet [the contents of the lagin are unfit as an 'erub since] it is essential to have a meal th suitable for consumption while it is yet day,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e., at the beginning of twilight.');"><sup>4</sup></span> which is not the case here.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Because at that time the contents of the lagin were still tebel.');"><sup>5</sup></span> <big><b>MISHNAH: </b></big>A MAN MAY ATTACH A CONDITION TO HIS ERUB AND<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Depositing two 'erubs, one at a distance of two thousand cubits from the east side of his house and another in the opposite direction at a distance of two thousand cubits from the west of his house.');"><sup>6</sup></span>
ג <big><strong>מתני׳</strong></big> מתנה אדם על עירובו ואומר אם באו נכרים מן המזרח עירובי למערב מן המערב עירובי למזרח אם באו לכאן ולכאן למקום שארצה אלך לא באו לא לכאן ולא לכאן הריני כבני עירי
3 SAY, 'IF FOREIGNERS<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' From whom he must flee.');"><sup>7</sup></span> CAME FROM THE EAST MY 'ERUB [SHALL BE THAT] OF THE WEST;<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' And he is in consequence able to go in a westerly direction a distance of four thousand cubits from his house. Though the foreigners would not come before the following day the condition has the force of determining retrospectively which 'erub shall become effective at twilight of the Sabbath eve.');"><sup>8</sup></span> [IF THEY CAME] FROM THE WEST MY ERUB [SHALL BE THAT] OF THE EAST;<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Cf. previous note mutatis mutandis.');"><sup>9</sup></span>
ד אם בא חכם מן המזרח עירובי למזרח מן המערב עירובי למערב בא לכאן ולכאן למקום שארצה אלך לא לכאן ולא לכאן הריני כבני עירי רבי יהודה אומר אם היה אחד מהן רבו הולך אצל רבו ואם היו שניהן רבותיו למקום שירצה ילך:
4 IF THEY CAME FROM BOTH DIRECTIONS<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lit., 'to here and to here'. J.T. and Mishnah ed., 'from here and from here'.');"><sup>10</sup></span> I WILL GO IN WHATEVER DIRECTION I DESIRE, AND IF THEY CAME FROM NEITHER DIRECTION I WILL BE LIKE THE PEOPle OF MY TOWN'.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Able to go a distance of two thousand cubits from the town in any direction, both 'erubs being null and void.');"><sup>11</sup></span> [HE MAY LIKEWISE SAY,] 'IF THE SAGE<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Whose discourses he desires to hear.');"><sup>12</sup></span>
ה <big><strong>גמ׳</strong></big> כי אתא רבי יצחק תני איפכא כולה מתניתין קשיא נכרים אנכרים קשיא חכם אחכם
5 CAME FROM THE EAST LET MY 'ERUB [BE THE ONE] OF THE EAST;<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Cf. supra n. 1 mutatis mutandis.');"><sup>13</sup></span> IF FROM THE WEST LET MY 'ERUB [BE THE ONE] OF THE WEST; [IF A SAGE] CAME FROM EITHER DIRECTION I WILL GO IN WHATEVER DIRECTION I DESIRE, AND IF NO ONE CAME FROM EITHER DIRECTION I WILL BE LIKE THE PEOPLE OF MY TOWN'.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Able to go a distance of two thousand cubits from the town in any direction, both 'erubs being null and void.');"><sup>11</sup></span> R'JUDAH RULED: IF ONE OF THEM<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Of the two Sages that came from opposite directions.');"><sup>14</sup></span>
ו נכרים אנכרים לא קשיא הא בפרה גבנא הא במרי דמתא
6 WAS HIS TEACHER HE MAY GO ONLY TO HIS TEACHER,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The presumption being that when making the condition he meant that 'erub to be effective which would enable him to go to his teacher.');"><sup>15</sup></span> BUT IF BOTH WERE HIS TEACHERS HE MAY GO IN WHATEVER DIRECTION HE PREFERS. <big><b>GEMARA: </b></big>When R'Isaac came<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' From Palestine to Babylon.');"><sup>16</sup></span>
ז חכם אחכם לא קשיא הא במותיב פירקי הא במקרי שמע:
7 he learned all our Mishnah in the reverse order.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The SAGE in the first clause and FOREIGNERS In the second, so that the 'erubs were laid for the purpose of fleeing from the sage and advancing in the direction of the foreigners.');"><sup>17</sup></span> Does not then a contradiction arise between the two statements on the FOREIGNERS<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lit., 'foreigners on foreigners'.');"><sup>18</sup></span> and between the two concerning the SAGE?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Cf. previous note.');"><sup>19</sup></span>
ח ר' יהודה אומר אם היה אחד מהן וכו': ורבנן זימנין דניחא ליה בחבריה טפי מרביה
8 - There is really no contradiction between the two statements on foreigners since one refers<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lit., 'that', our MISHNAH:');"><sup>20</sup></span> to tax collectors<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' From whom people try to escape.');"><sup>21</sup></span> while the other refers to the landlords of the town.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Or 'town officers', whom the townspeople are anxious to meet in order to submit to them their grievances or to solicit favours.');"><sup>22</sup></span>
ט אמר רב ליתא למתניתין מדתני איו דתני איו ר' יהודה אומר אין אדם מתנה על שני דברים כאחד אלא אם (כן) בא חכם למזרח עירובו למזרח ואם בא חכם למערב עירובו למערב אבל לכאן ולכאן לא
9 There is also no contradiction between the two statements concerning the sage since one refers<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lit., 'that', our MISHNAH:');"><sup>23</sup></span> to a scholar who delivers public<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lit., 'causes (the public) to sit'.');"><sup>24</sup></span> discourses<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' People are anxious to run to hear such a sage. ktrah gna');"><sup>25</sup></span>
י מאי שנא לכאן ולכאן דלא דאין ברירה למזרח למערב נמי אין ברירה
10 while the other refers to a teacher of young children.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Or 'a teacher of the daily ritual'. Lit., 'those who cause to read the Shema" ,="" sc.="" 'hear="" o="" israel="" etc.'="" (cf.="" p.b.="" 40ff.)="" .="" the="" shema'="" is="" one="" of="" principal="" elements="" in="" daily="" prayers="" and="" here="" synonymous="" with="" prayer="" general="" rashi)="" which="" even="" school="" children="" must="" be="" taught.="" condition="" mishnah="" according="" to="" r.="" isaac's="" version="" may="" explained="" as="" due="" a="" desire="" on="" part="" man="" dispense="" meeting="" teacher="" order="" able="" attend="" discourses="" public="" speaker.="" if="" former="" would="" come="" from="" east="" latter="" west="" he="" wish="" his="" 'erub="" direction="" effective="" vice="" versa.="" both="" proved="" teachers="" or="" speakers="" go="" whatever="" preferred="" (rashi)="" [aliter:="" those="" who="" read="" shema',="" precentor,="" v.="" hananel.]');"=""><sup>26</sup></span> R'JUDAH RULED: IF ONE OF THEM WAS etc. And the Rabbis?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Why do they allow the man a choice even where one of the sages was his teacher?');"><sup>27</sup></span> - Sometimes [it may happen] that a man is more pleased to meet<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lit., 'with'.');"><sup>28</sup></span>
יא אמר רבי יוחנן וכבר בא חכם
11 his colleague than his teacher. Rab stated: [The ruling] of our Mishnah<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' According to which R. Judah ruled that where BOTH WERE HIS TEACHERS, HE MAY GO IN WHATEVER DIRECTION HE PREFERS, thus recognizing the effectiveness of an 'erub though its validity which must take effect where the Sabbath begins depends on the man's choice that would he made subsequently; R. Judah thus upholding the principle of retrospective selection or bererah (v. Glos.) .');"><sup>29</sup></span> is not [to be upheld] by reason of what Ayo learned.
יב אדרבה ליתא לדאיו ממתניתין
12 For Ayo learned: R'Judah ruled: 'A man cannot make simultaneous conditions in connection with two possible events.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' As is the case where the condition is made about two sages coming from different directions.');"><sup>30</sup></span> He can only<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lit., 'but if'.');"><sup>31</sup></span> [make this condition:] "If the sage came [from the direction] of the east my<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lit., 'his'.');"><sup>32</sup></span>
יג לא סלקא דעתך דהא שמעינן ליה לרבי יהודה דלית ליה ברירה דתנן הלוקח יין מבין הכותים
13 'erub [shall be that] of the east and if the sage came [from the direction] of the west my<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lit., 'his'.');"><sup>32</sup></span> 'erub [shall be that] of th west,"<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Since only one possible event is involved.');"><sup>33</sup></span> but not "[If one came] from each direction '<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Bez. 37b, Hul. 14b. As R. Judah definitely rejects here the rule of bererah the ruling attributed to him in our Mishnah (cf. supra n. 7) cannot be authentic.');"><sup>34</sup></span> Why is it [that the 'erub is] ineffective [where the condition was 'If one came] from each direction'? Obviously because the rule of bererah is not upheld,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' It being held that the choice the man made between the two sages on the following day may not have been his choice at twilight on the previous day when the validity of the 'erub must take elect.');"><sup>35</sup></span> [but, then, where the condition was, 'If the sage came from the direction] of the east' [or 'from that] of the west' it should also [be said that] the rule of bererah cannot [be upheld]?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' And the 'erub should be ineffective, since at twilight on the Sabbath eve the sage was presumably still uncertain whether he would at all come within the area permitted by that man's 'erub, and his subsequent coming could only be regarded, as far as the validity of the 'erub is concerned, as bererah i.e., retrospective designation or selection, a principle which R. Judah does not recognize.');"><sup>36</sup></span> - R'Johanan replied: [Our Mishnah refers to a case] where the sage already arrived.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Sc. at twilight of the Sabbath eve he was already within the permitted Sabbath limit of that man's town though the latter was unaware of the fact. As the validity of the 'erub was made dependent on an event that, though unknown to the speaker, had actually taken place before twilight of the Sabbath eve there can be no question as to the 'erub's effectiveness. It is not the speaker's subsequent knowledge of the fact that renders the 'erub valid retrospectively, but the presence of the sage at the crucial moment. The question of bererah, therefore, does not at all arise.');"><sup>37</sup></span> On the contrary, [let it be said that] Ayo's version<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Which is a mere Baraitha.');"><sup>38</sup></span> cannot [be upheld] by reason of what was taught in our Mishnah?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' A Baraitha, surely, is less authoritative than a MISHNAH:');"><sup>39</sup></span> This<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' That R. Judah upholds the rule of bererah. ib,s');"><sup>40</sup></span> cannot be entertained at all, since we heard of R'Judah that he does not adopt the rule of bererah. For it was taught:<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Cf. Tosaf. s.v. a.l. Cur. edd., 'we learned'.');"><sup>41</sup></span> If a man buys wine from among the Cutheans<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Before the prohibition against their wines had been decreed. As the Cutheans (Samaritans) were suspected of neglecting the laws of terumah and tithe the buyer must himself set these aside before he can be permitted to drink any of the wine.');"><sup>42</sup></span>