Talmud Bavli
Talmud Bavli

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הרי היא כמנחת תמידין

they are thus like the meal-offering which accompanies the Daily Offering.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Which certainly overrides the Sabbath.');"><sup>1</sup></span> Raba said, The expression 'on a griddle' implies that they require the use of a vessel of ministry, and [that being so] if they were baked on the day before [the Sabbath] they would be invalid by being kept overnight.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' For whatsoever has been hallowed in a vessel of ministry becomes invalid if kept overnight.');"><sup>2</sup></span>

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רבא אמר (ויקרא ו, יד) על מחבת מלמד שטעונה כלי ואי אפי לה מאתמול איפסיל ליה בלינה תניא כוותיה דרבא על מחבת מלמד שטעונה כלי

There has been taught a Baraitha which coincides with Raba's view. The expression 'on a griddle' implies that it<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Sc. the High Priest's meal-offering.');"><sup>3</sup></span>

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בשמן להוסיף לה שמן ואיני יודע כמה

requires the use of a vessel of ministry.' With oil' signifies that it must have much oil; yet I know no how much, argue therefore as follows: here it is written oil, and there in connection with the meal-offering accompanying the lambs<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' So MS.M. and Rashi; in cur. edd. 'the drink-offering', which was also part of the Daily Offering.');"><sup>4</sup></span>

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הריני דן נאמר כאן שמן ונאמר להלן במנחת נסכים שמן מה להלן שלשת לוגין לעשרון אף כאן שלשת לוגין לעשרון

[of the Daily Offering] it is also written oil,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Ex. XXIX, 40. The quantity of oil prescribed is a 'fourth part of a hin', i.e., three logs.');"><sup>5</sup></span> as there it has three logs [of oil] to tenth so here it must have three logs to the tenth.

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או כלך לדרך זו נאמר כאן שמן ונאמר במנחת נדבה שמן מה להלן לוג אחד אף כאן לוג אחד

Or perhaps I should argue thus: here it is written oil and there in connection with the freewill meal-offering it is also written oil,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lev. II, 1. The quantity of oil is fixed at one log, v. infra 88a. yac, ,-rhs,');"><sup>6</sup></span> as there it has only one log so here i should have only one log! Let us then see to which [of the two] is this case most similar.

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נראה למי דומה דנין תבש"ט מתבש"ט תדיר (באה חובה) דוחה שבת דוחה טומאה

We may infer a meal-offering which is characterized by T. B.

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ואין דנין תבש"ט משאינו תבש"ט

Sh. T.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' . These are the initial letters of the features characterizing the High Priest's meal-offering, viz., a regular daily offering', c-vcuj vtc a-,ca y-vtnuy 'is obligatory', and 'it overrides the Sabbath and the law of uncleanness'. The meal-offering accompanying the Daily Offering is also characterized in this manner; these features, however, are absent from the freewill meal-offering. kdh khdh h-shjh');"><sup>7</sup></span>

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או כלך לדרך זו דנין יגי"ל מיגי"ל יחיד בגלל עצמה (יין) לבונה

- it is offered daily, is an obligation, and overrides the Sabbath and uncleanness - from another meal- offering which is also characterized by T. B.

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ואין דנין יגי"ל משאינו יגי"ל

Sh. T, but we may not infer a meal-offering which is T.

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רבי ישמעאל בנו של רבי יוחנן בן ברוקה אומר (ויקרא ו, יג) סלת מנחה תמיד הרי היא לך כמנחת תמידין מה מנחת תמידין ג' לוגין לעשרון אף זו ג' לוגין לעשרון

B. Sh.

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ר"ש אומר ריבה כאן שמן וריבה במנחת כבשים שמן מה להלן שלשת לוגין לעשרון אף כאן שלשת לוגין לעשרון

T. from another which is not T.

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או כלך לדרך זו ריבה כאן שמן וריבה במנחת פרים ואילים שמן מה להלן שני לוגין לעשרון אף כאן שני לוגין לעשרון

B. Sh.

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נראה למי דומה דנין מנחה הבאה עשרון ממנחה הבאה בעשרון ואין דנין מנחה הבאה עשרון ממנחה הבאה ב' וג' עשרונים

T. Or perhaps I should argue thus: we may infer a meal-offering which is characterized by Y.

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הא גופא קשיא אמרת בשמן להוסיף לה שמן והדר תני נאמר כאן שמן ונאמר במנחת נדבה שמן

G. L.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' . So according to Sh. Mek.; cur. edd. The High Priest's meal-offering can be characterized by the following features: 'an d-vnmg kkd k-vbuck individual offering', 'brought on its own account' i.e., not accompanying another offering, and 'requires frankincense'. These features are present in the freewill meal-offering but are absent from the meal-offering which accompanies the Daily Offering.');"><sup>8</sup></span>

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אמר אביי מאן תנא בשמן להוסיף ר"ש היא (ואילו לא נאמר קאמר) ובדינא מאן קא מהדר רבי ישמעאל

- it is an individual offering, brought on its own account, and requires frankincense - from another which is also characterized by Y. G.

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רב הונא בריה דרב יהושע אמר כולה ר' ישמעאל בנו של ר' יוחנן בן ברוקה היא

L. , but we may not infer a meal-offering which is Y. G.

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והכי קאמר בשמן להוסיף לה שמן דאי לקבוע שמן לא צריך כיון דכתיב בה (ויקרא ו, יד) על מחבת כמנחת מחבת דמיא

L. from another which is not Y.

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או אינו אלא לקבוע לה שמן דאי לא כתב רחמנא בשמן ה"א תיהוי כמנחת חוטא

G. L. ! R'Ishmael the son of R'Johanan B'Beroka [therefore] said, It is written, Of fine flour for a meal-offering daily;<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lev. VI, 13.');"><sup>9</sup></span>

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הדר אמר תיהוי נמי לקבוע לה שמן תיתי מדינא ודן דינא ולא אתיא ליה ואצרכא קרא סולת מנחה תמיד כדמסיים רבי ישמעאל מילתיה

it is to be similar t the meal-offering which accompanies the Daily Offering; as that meal-offering has three logs of oil to the tenth, this too must have three logs to the tenth. R'Simeon says, Here much oil is required and there also in connection with the meal-offering accompanying the lambs [of the Daily Offering] much oil is required; as there it has three logs to the tenth so here too it must have three logs to the tenth.

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רבה אמר כולה ר"ש [ואילו לא נאמר קאמר]

Or perhaps I should argue thus: here much oil is required, and there also in connection with the meal-offering accompanying the offering of bullocks and rams much oil is required,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Cf. Num. XV, 4ff. The meal-offering which accompanied the offering of a ram consisted of two tenths of fine flour mingled with the third part of a hin (i.e., four logs) of oil, and that which accompanied the offering of a bullock of three tenths of flour mingled with half a hin (i.e., six logs) of oil.');"><sup>10</sup></span> as there it has two logs [of oil] to the tenth so here t it must have two logs to the tenth! Let us then see to which [of the two] is this case most similar.

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וה"ק בשמן להוסיף לה שמן דאי לקבוע לה שמן לא צריך כיון דכתיב בה על מחבת כמחבת דמיא ועד שלא יאמר בשמן יש לי בדין

We may infer a meal-offering consisting of one tenth from another meal-offering also consisting of one tenth,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The meal-offering which accompanied the Daily Offering consisted of one tenth of fine flour which is not the case with the bullocks and rams; v. prec. n.');"><sup>11</sup></span> but we may not infer a meal-offering consisting of one tenth from a meal-offering consisting of two or three tenths.

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ודן דינא לא אתיא ליה ואצרכא בשמן הדר אמר תיהוי כמנחת פרים ואילים

Is not the above passage self-contradictory? It states at first, '"With oil" signifies that it must have muc oil', and then it states, 'Here it is written, '"oil", and there in connection with the freewill meal-offering i also written, "oil"'!<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The purpose of the inference, namely to establish that not more than the normal quantity of oil (i.e., a log) is required, is contradicted by the verse which indicates the requirement of much oil, i.e., more than the usual quantity.');"><sup>12</sup></span>

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הדר אמר דנין

- Abaye answered,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' From here to the end of the passage until the next Mishnah the text is in a doubtful state and the MSS. vary considerably from the present text. V. Sh. Mek. where the text is extensively altered. The above translation is based entirely upon the text as in cur. edd. For the variants v. D.S. a.l.');"><sup>13</sup></span> The Tanna of the clause, '"With oil" signifies that it must have much oil', is R'Simeon, whilst he that argues otherwise by inference [from the freewill meal-offering] is R'Ishmael. R'Huna the son of R'Joshua said, The whole [of the anonymous part of the Baraitha] is by R'Ishmael the son of R'Johanan B'Beroka, and he argues thus: 'With oil' signifies that it must have much oil, for to establish merely that it requires oil no verse would be necessary, since the expression 'on a griddle' indicates that it shall be like any meal-offering prepared on a griddle. But perhaps it is not so, but that ['wi oil'] signifies merely that it requires oil, for had not Holy Writ stated 'with oil' I might have said that it s be like the sinner's meal-offering!<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Which had no oil at all; cf. Lev. V, 11.');"><sup>14</sup></span> And then he said, Be it even so, that it signifies merely that it requires oil, but surely it can be argued by an inference<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' From the meal-offering which accompanied the Daily Offering.');"><sup>15</sup></span> [that three logs are required]. He then argued by the inference<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' From the meal-offering which accompanied the Daily Offering.');"><sup>15</sup></span> but could not prove his case;<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' By reason of the counter argument, namely, let the inference be drawn from the freewill meal-offering.');"><sup>16</sup></span> whereupon he had to resort to the verse, 'Of fine flour for a meal-offering daily', as is expressly stated by R'Ishmael in his concluding remarks. Rabbah said, The whole [of the anonymous part of the Baraitha] is by R'Simeon and he argues thus: 'With oil' signifies that it must have much oil, for to establish merely that it requires oil no verse would be necessary since the expression 'on a griddle' indicates that it shall be like any meal-offering prepared on a griddle. But even without the expression 'with oil' I can arrive at the same conclusion by means of an inference. He thereupon argued by the inference but could not prove his case, so that he had to resort to the expression 'with oil'. He then said, Let it be similar to the meal-offering accompanying the offering of bullocks or of rams;<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e., granted that it must have more oil than the ordinary meal-offering, it might nevertheless be compared with the meal-offering which accompanied bullocks or rams where only two logs to the tenth are required.');"><sup>17</sup></span> but he rebutted this by saying, We may infer

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