Menachot 104

לרבנן הוכפלה לבונתו או לא מי אמרינן מתוך שהוכפלה סלתו הוכפלה לבונתו או דילמא מאי דגלי גלי מאי דלא גלי לא גלי

must the quantity of frankincense, according to the view of the Rabbis,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' According to Abba Jose there is no doubt at all, for one never offers two handfuls at one time with one meal-offering.');">¹</span> be doubled or not?

ושמן בין לאבא יוסי בן דוסתאי ובין לרבנן מהו

Should we say that since the quantity of flour has been doubled<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' For a whole tenth of fine flour must be brought both in the morning and in the evening. Likewise a whole handful of frankincense must be brought morning and evening.');">²</span> the quantity of frankincense must also be doubled, or perhaps this is so only where it has been expressly stated<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' In connection with the flour, v. supra 51b.');">³</span>

אמר רבא ת"ש ה' קמצין הן ואם איתא זימנין דמשכחת לה ז'

and not where it has not been expressly stated? And this question is also to be asked with regard to the quantity of oil,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The High Priest used to bring from his own house daily a tenth of fine flour and three logs of oil, which he divided and offered, half (i.e., a half-tenth of flour and one log and a half of oil) in the morning and half in the evening. During an interregnum, however, since the quantity of flour is doubled it might well be that the oil must also be doubled.');">⁴</span>

דאי לא קתני יתיב רב פפא וקאמר לה להא שמעתא אמר ליה רב יוסף בר שמעיה לרב פפא והא מעלה קומץ בחוץ דאי הוה וקתני

both according to the view of the Rabbis and of Abba Jose B'Dosethai. Come and hear: for we have learnt: The handful is specified in five cases.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' V. infra 106b. The handful of frankincense which accompanied the High Priest's meal-offering is not included in that list since it was offered a half-handful at a time.');">⁵</span>

מאי הוי עלה אמר ר"נ בר יצחק ת"ש דתניא כ"ג שמת ולא מינו אחר תחתיו שלימה שחרית ושלימה בין הערבים ומפריש לה ב' קמצין קומץ שחרית וקומץ בין הערבים ומפריש לה שלשת לוגין לוג ומחצה שחרית לוג ומחצה בין הערבים

Now if that were so,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' That even the Rabbis hold that during an interregnum a whole handful was to be offered morning as well as evening.');">⁶</span> there would sometimes be seven!<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' For although the two handfuls belong to the one offering, they should nevertheless be reckoned as two in the list; cf. the two handfuls of frankincense offered with the Shewbread which are reckoned as two in the list.');">⁷</span>

מני אילימא רבנן מאי שנא לבונתה דהוכפלה ומאי שנא שמנה דלא הוכפלה

- The Tanna is not concerned with the exception.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e., with the case when the High Priest died. The Tanna merely listed five normal cases that happen daily or regularly.');">⁸</span> R'Papa was sitting and reciting the above when R'Joseph B'Shemaiah said to him, 'Is not the case of a man offering the handful outside the Sanctuary an exceptional case',<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Likewise he should reckon the handful of frankincense offered morning and evening during an interregnum.');">⁹</span>

אלא אבא יוסי בן דוסתאי היא דאמר חביתי כ"ג בעלמא שני קמצין בעיא ולבונה לא הוכפלה ושמן לא הוכפל

and yet he reckoned it? What is the decision then? - R'Nahman B'Isaac said, Come and hear: For it has been taught: If the High Priest died and they did not appoint another in his stead a whole tenth must be offered in the morning and a whole tenth in the evening.

ומדשמן לאבא יוסי בן דוסתאי לא הוכפלה לבונתה ושמנה לרבנן נמי לא הוכפלו

Two handfuls [of frankincense] must be set aside, one to be offered in the morning and one in the evening; and three logs of oil must be set aside, one log and a half to be offered in the morning and one log and a half in the evening. Now who is the author of this Baraitha?

א"ר יוחנן הלכה כאבא יוסי בן דוסתאי ומי א"ר יוחנן הכי והא א"ר יוחנן הלכה כסתם משנה ותנן חמשה קמצין הן

If you say it is the Rabbis, then it will be asked, Why is it that the quantity of frankincense is doubled and the quantity of oil is not? It must therefore be Abba Jose B'Dosethai who maintains that at all times the High Priest's meal-offering requires two handfuls of frankincense, so that neither the quantity of frankincense nor the quantity of oil has been doubled.

אמוראי נינהו ואליבא דרבי יוחנן:

And since according to Abba Jose B'Dosethai the quantity of oil is not doubled,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The reason being no doubt that only that is doubled which is expressly so indicated in the Torah.');">¹⁰</span> likewise according to the Rabbis the quantities of frankincense and of oil are not doubled.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' For the same reason as given by Abba Jose, v. prec. note; thus solving the problem raised by R. Johanan.');">¹¹</span>

<br><br><big><strong>הדרן עלך התכלת</strong></big><br><br>

R'Johanan said, The halachah follows Abba Jose B'Dosethai.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' That the High Priest must offer with his meal-offering one handful of frankincense in the morning and another in the evening.');">¹²</span> But could R'Johanan have said so?

מתני׳ <big><strong>כל</strong></big> המנחות באות מצה חוץ מחמץ שבתודה ושתי הלחם שהן באות חמץ

Did not R'Johanan say that the halachah always follows the anonymous opinion of a Mishnah, and we have learnt: 'The handful is specified in five cases'?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' V. p. 315, n. 6. But according to Abba Jose the number should be seven so as to include the two handfuls of the High Priest's meal-offering.');">¹³</span> - Different Amoraim report R'Johanan's opinion differently.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Obviously R. Johanan could not have made both statements; some scholars report that he made only the former statement, namely, that the halachah follows Abba Jose, others that he made only the latter statement, that the halachah follows the anonymous MISHNAH:');">¹⁴</span>

ר"מ אומר השאור בודה להן מתוכן ומחמצן

<big><b>MISHNAH: </b></big>ALL MEAL-OFFERINGS MUST BE OFFERED UNLEAVENED, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE LEAVENED CAKES OF THE THANK-OFFERING<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The thank-offering was accompanied by an offering of forty cakes, thirty being unleavened and ten leavened, cf. Lev. VII, 12,13.');">¹⁵</span> AND THE TWO LOAVES [OF PENTECOST].<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' V. ibid. XXIII, 17.');">¹⁶</span>

ר' יהודה אומר אף היא אינה מן המובחר אלא מביא את השאור ונותנו לתוך המדה וממלא את המדה אמרו לו אף היא היתה חסרה או יתרה:

WHICH ARE OFFERED LEAVENED. R'MEIR SAYS, THE LEAVEN MUST BE TAKEN FROM [THE MEAL-OFFERINGS] THEMSELVES AND WITH THIS THEY ARE LEAVENED.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e. a little flour is taken from the meal-offering, is mixed with water and is allowed to stand for some time until it becomes leavened, and this serves as yeast for leavening the rest of the meal-offering.');">¹⁷</span>

<big><strong>גמ׳</strong></big> בעא מיניה רבי פרידא מרבי אמי מנין לכל המנחות שהן באות מצה מנלן דכתיב בה כתיב בה דלא כתיב בה כתיב בה

R'JUDAH SAYS, THAT IS NOT THE BEST WAY,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' For the yeast is too fresh and not sufficiently potent to leaven well the rest of the meal-offering.');">¹⁸</span> BUT [FIRST OF ALL] LEAVEN MUST BE BROUGHT AND PUT INTO THE MEASURING VESSEL AND THEN THE MEASURING VESSEL IS FILLED UP [WITH FLOUR]. BUT THEY SAID TO HIM, EVEN SO [IT IS NOT SATISFACTORY]; FOR IT WOULD BE SOMETIMES TOO LITTLE AND SOMETIMES TOO MUCH.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' For if the yeast used was hard and compressed and of small bulk, there would be more than the usual quantity of flour in this meal-offering, and if, on the other hand, the yeast was of a thin consistency, taking up much space in the vessel, there would be less than the usual quantity of flour, and in either case the meal-offering would be invalid.');">¹⁹</span> <big><b>GEMARA: </b></big>R'Perida enquired of R'Ammi, Whence is it derived that all meal-offerings must be offered unleavened? - 'Whence? ' you ask, [R'Ammi replied] but surely where this<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' That the meal-offering shall be unleavened.');">²⁰</span> is expressly stated<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Cf. ibid. II, 4 and 5.');">²¹</span> it is expressly stated, and where it is not expressly stated there is the general statement,