Menachot 207

Chapter 207

אוההואVhhvגבראGvrעלLפלטרFltrסמיךSmykh

1And I<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lit., 'that man'. R. Bibi was in straitened circumstances and had difficulties in obtaining a living, consequently his mind was not at ease to concentrate on the question raised.');">1 have to rely upon the bread dealer. How does the matter stand?2

במאיMyהויHvyעלהLhאמרMrרבRvיוסףYvsfרביRvyיהודהYhvdhמוריינאMvryynדביDvyנשיאהNshyhהוהHvhואוריVvryליהLyhכשמעתיהKhshmtyh

2- R'Joseph answered, R'Judah was the Master [in regard to all matters of religious law] in the house of the Nasi,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Sc. Rabbi, in whose house the above incident about the mule occurred. Chronologically it is very difficult to accept that R. Judah b. Ila'i held a tbhhrun position in the household of R. Judah the prince (or Rabbi) . V. however Tosaf. s.v. .');">3 and it was he that gave the above decision,4 and it was in accordance with the law that he reported.

גדתנןDtnnרביRvyיהודהYhvdhאומרVmrששהShshhדבריםDvrymמקוליMkvlyביתVytשמאיShmyומחומריVmkhvmryביתVytהללHllדםDmנבילותNvylvtביתVytשמאיShmyמטהריןMthrynוביתVvytהללHllמטמאיןMtmynאמרMrרביRvyיוסיYvsyבר'Vr'יהודהYhvdhאףFכשטמאוKhshtmvביתVytהללHllלאLטמאוTmvאלאLברביעיתVrvyytהואילHvylויכולVykhvlלקרושLkrvshולעמודVlmvdעלLכזית:Khzyt:

3For we have learnt:5 R'Judah reports six instances of lenient rulings by Beth Shammai and stringent rulings by Beth Hillel.6 Beth Shammai pronounce the blood of a carcass clean; but Beth Hillel pronounce it unclean.

ד<big>מתני׳</big><big>mtny׳</big>איןYnמתנדביןMtndvynלוגLvgשניםShnymוחמשהVkhmshhאבלVlמתנדביןMtndvynשלשהShlshhוארבעהVrvhוששהVshshhומששהVmshshhולמעלה:Vlmlh:

4R'Jose son of R'Judah said, Even when Beth Hillel pronounced it unclean they said so only in respect of a quarter-log of blood, since it can congeal and amount to an olive's bulk.7 <big>MISHNAH: </big>ONE MAY NOT OFFER ONE [LOG], TWO, OR FIVE [LOGS],<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Of wine as a drink-offering. One may offer only such quantities as conform with the quantities prescribed for one or several of the specific animal-offerings, and these are: six logs for each bullock, four for each ram, and three for each lamb. Nowhere is such a quantity as one log, or two, or five prescribed.');">8 BUT ONE MAY OFFER THREE, FOUR, SIX,9

ה<big>גמ׳</big><big>gm׳</big>איבעיאYvyלהוLhvישYshקבעKvלנסכיםLnskhymאוVאיןYnקבעKvלנסכיםLnskhym

5OR ANYTHING ABOVE SIX.10 <big>GEMARA: </big>The question was asked: Is the wine of the drinkofferings indivisible or not?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Where a certain quantity of wine is offered, is it to be regarded as one whole so that it must be offered together as one drink-offering, or may it be divided up and some taken for one offering and the remainder applied in any manner available for it?');">11 In what circumstances [does the question arise]?

והיכיHykhyדמיDmyכגוןKhgvnדאייתיDyytyחמשהKhmshhאיYאמרתMrtאיןYnקבעKvלנסכיםLnskhymמשיךMshykhומקריבVmkryvארבעהRvhמינייהוMynyyhvדחזיDkhzyלאילLylואידךVydkhהויHvyנדבהNdvhואיVyאמרתMrtישYshקבעKvלנסכיםLnskhymעדDדממליDmmlyלהוLhvלאLקרביKrvy

6Where, e.g. , a man brought five [logs of wine]. If you say that the wine of the drink-offerings is not indivisible, then four logs can be drawn off and offered, since that is the proper quantity for a ram, and the remaining log would be for a freewill-offering;<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The remaining log would either be sold and the money obtained put into the chest of freewill-offerings or it would be added to two more logs and used as the drink-offering of the daily offering.');">12 but if you say that it i indivisible, then these five logs may not be offered until the quantity is made up.13

זמאיMyאמרMrאבייVyyתאTשמעShmששהShshhלנדבהLndvhואמרינןVmrynnכנגדKhngdמיMyכנגדKhngdמותרMvtrחטאתKhttומותרVmvtrאשמותShmvtומותרVmvtrאשםShmנזירNzyrומותרVmvtrאשםShmמצורעMtsvrומותרVmvtrקיניןKynynומותרVmvtrמנחתMnkhtחוטאKhvt

7How is it then? Abaye said, Come and hear: There were six [money chests] for freewill-offerings.14 And to the question, What did they represent?

חואםVmאיתאYtליתקיןLytkynשופרShvfrאחרינאKhrynכנגדKhngdמותרMvtrנסכיםNskhym

8the reply was given, They represented the surplus<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e., if a certain sum of money had been set apart for an animal-offering and the price fell, the surplus money was put into a money chest and eventually was expended on burnt-offerings for the community. The offerings enumerated were each in some aspect different from the others, hence the surplus of each was kept in a separate chest.');">15 of the sin-offering, the surplus of the guilt-offering, the surplus of the guilt-offering of the Nazirite, the surplus of the guilt-offer of the leper, the surplus of the bird-offerings, and the surplus of the sinner's meal-offering. Now if it were so,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' That the wine of the drink-offerings was not indivisible, and therefore in the case in question four logs, the quantity prescribed for a ram, could be drawn off and offered, and the remaining log would be for a freewill-offering.');">16

טהנךHnkhלנדבתLndvtצבורTsvvrאזליZlyהניHnyשכיחיShkhykhyאפשרFshrדמצטרפיDmtstrfyדמרDmrודמרVdmrבהדיVhdyהדדיHddyוקרביVkrvy

9then another money chest should have been prepared for the surplus of the drink-offerings? - Those17 served only for freewill-offerings of the community,18 whereas these19

יאמרMrרבאRvתאTשמעShm(במדבר(vmdvrטו,Tv,יג)Yg)אזרחZrkhמלמדMlmdשמתנדביןShmtndvynנסכיםNskhymוכמהVkhmhשלשתShlshtלוגיןLvgyn

10were quite frequent, and therefore the surplus of the drink-offerings of one man could be joined to that of another and could in this way be offered.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' For drink-offerings were offered at all times, even unaccompanied by an animal-sacrifice; accordingly the surplus of several offerings of wine could be combined and offered. There was therefore no need for a special chest in which to collect the surplus of each drink-offering.');">20 Raba said, Come and hear: Home-born:21 this teaches us that a man may offer wine for a drink-offering.22

יאומניןVmnynשאםShmרצהRtshלהוסיףLhvsyfיוסיףYvsyfתלמודTlmvdלומרLvmrיהיהYhyhיכולYkhvlיפחותYfkhvtתלמודTlmvdלאמרLmrככהKhkhh

11How much [must he bring]? Three logs. Whence do we know that if he desired to bring more he may do so?

יבמאיMyיוסיףYvsyfאילימאYlymארבעהRvhוששהVshshhמאיMyשנאShnשלשהShlshhדחזוDkhzvלכבשLkhvshארבעהRvhוששהVshshhנמיNmyחזוKhzvלאילLylופרVfrאלאLלאוLvחמשהKhmshhושמעVshmמינהMynhאיןYnקבעKvלנסכיםLnskhymשמעShmמינהMynh

12Because the text states, Shall be.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Ibid. XXVIII, 14: Half a hin of wine shall be for a bullock. The expression 'shall be' is superfluous and therefore serves to include a larger quantity than that prescribed. The reference might also be to Num. XV, 15.');">23 We might suppose that he may bring less, the text therefore states, After this manner.24 Now what is meant by 'bring more'?

יגאמרMrרבRvאשיShyוהאVhאנןNnלאLתנןTnnהכיHkhyאיןYnמתנדביןMtndvynלוגLvgשניםShnymוחמשהVkhmshhקתניKtnyחמשהKhmshhדומיאDvmyדשניםDshnymמהMhשניםShnymדלאDlחזוKhzvכללKhllאףFחמשהKhmshhנמיNmyדלאDlחזוKhzvכללKhll

13Shall I say [it means the bringing of] four or six logs? But why are three logs admitted? [Surely] because that quantity is proper for a lamb! Then similarly four and six logs are proper for a ram and a bullock respectively?25

ידמידיMydyאיריאYryהאHכדאיתאKhdytוהאVhכדאיתאKhdyt

14Hence it must mean [the bringing of] five logs,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' And this quantity is expressly included by the verse. As to the procedure, four logs, the quantity prescribed for a ram, would be offered and the fifth would be a surplus.');">26 thus proving that the wine for the drink-offerings is not indivisible. This indeed proves it.

טואמרMrאבייVyyאםMתמצאTmtsלומרLvmrאיןYnקבעKvלנסכיםLnskhymהאHאיןYnקבעKvלנסכיםLnskhymאםMתמצאTmtsלומרLvmrישYshקבעKvלנסכיםLnskhymעדDעשרהShrhפשיטאFshytליLyאחדKhdעשרShr

15R'Ashi said, But we have not learnt so [in our Mishnah]! [For it states]: ONE MAY NOT OFFER ONE [LOG], TWO, OR FIVE [LOGS], BUT ONE MAY OFFER THREE, FOUR, SIX, OR ANYTHING ABOVE SIX. Now here five is stated alongside with two, therefore as two can under no circumstances be admitted for drink-offerings, so five cannot be admitted at all? - This does not necessarily follow; each follows its own rule.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Two logs, admittedly, cannot under any circumstances be offered, but five may be offered in the manner already described, namely, four logs, being the drink-offering of a ram, are offered, and the remaining log is kept for a freewill-offering. Our Mishnah disallows the offering of five logs only in the first instance, for it is not proper to bring at the outset such a quantity as must inevitably lead to a surplus.');">27 Abaye said, If you are able to prove that the wine of the drink-offerings is not indivisible, then it is not indivisible.28 But if you prove that it is indivisible, then I am clear as to the law with regard to any number of logs up to ten,29 but about eleven

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