Menachot 61

Chapter 61

א אשידה דתנן [השידה] ב"ש אומרים נמדדת מבפנים ובית הלל אומרים מבחוץ ומודים אלו ואלו שאין עובי הרגלים ועובי הלבזבזין נמדד

1 in connection with the 'Chest', for we have learnt:1 A chest, say Beth Shammai, should be measured on the inside;<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' To determine its capacity. If it can hold forty se'ahs liquid or two kors dry ware it is not susceptible to uncleanness, for it is no longer deemed to be a 'vessel'.');">2

ב ר' יוסי אומר מודים שעובי הרגלים ועובי הלבזבזין נמדד וביניהן אין נמדד ר"ש שזורי אומר אם היו רגלים גבוהות טפח אין ביניהן נמדד ואם לאו ביניהן נמדד

2 but Beth Hillel say, On the outside.3 They agree, however, that the thickness of the legs and the thickness of the rim should not be included in the measurement.

ג רב נחמן בר יצחק אמר איין דתנן רבי מאיר אומר שמן תחלה לעולם וחכ"א אף הדבש ר"ש שזורי אומר אף היין מכלל דת"ק סבר יין לא אימא רבי שמעון שזורי אומר יין

3 R'Jose says, They agree that the thickness of the legs and the thickness of the rim should be included, but that the space between them should not be included. R'Simeon of Shezur says, If the legs were a handbreadth high the space between them should not be included, but if less, it should be included in the measurement.

ד תניא אמר ר"ש שזורי פעם אחת נתערב לי טבל בחולין ובאתי ושאלתי את רבי טרפון ואמר לי לך קח לך מן השוק ועשר עליו

4 R'Nahman B'Isaac said in connection with 'Wine', for we have learnt:4 R'Meir says, Oil [when rendered unclean] is always unclean in the first degree.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' For with whatever grade of uncleanness a liquid came into contact, whether with a primary source of uncleanness or with what was unclean in the first or second degree, it will always be unclean in the first degree. Cf. Pes. 14b.');">5

ה קסבר דאורייתא ברובא בטל ורוב עמי הארץ מעשרים הן והוה ליה כתורם מן הפטור על הפטור

5 The Sages say, Honey also. R'Simeon of Shezur says, Wine also.

ו ולימא ליה לך קח מן העובד כוכבים קסבר אין קנין לעובד כוכבים בארץ ישראל להפקיע מיד מעשר והוה ליה מן החיוב על הפטור

6 Are 'we to infer that the first Tanna holds that it is not so with wine?6 - Render: R'Simeon of Shezur says, [Only] wine.

ז איכא דאמרי אמר ליה לך קח מן העובד כוכבים קסבר יש קנין לעובד כוכבים בארץ ישראל להפקיע מיד מעשר והוה ליה מן הפטור על הפטור

7 It was taught: R'Simeon of Shezur related, Once my untithed produce got mixed up with tithed produce,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' And since the greater part of this mixture was tithed produce the whole is deemed by the law of the Torah to be tithed produce, and is not subject to any further tithe at all. It is, however, subject to tithe by Rabbinic law. The interpretation adopted here is the second given by Rashi, which is indeed preferred by him.');">7 so I went and asked R'Tarfon about it and he advised me, Go and buy some [demai8

ח ולימא ליה קח מהשוק קסבר אין רוב עמי הארץ מעשרין

8 produce] in the market and separate the tithes from it on behalf of the mixture too.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Demai produce, too, is exempt from tithe by the law of the Torah (because we adopt the majority principle and the majority of 'amme ha-arez separate the tithes) , but is subject to it only by Rabbinic law. It is therefore identical with the produce of the mixture.');">9 He10

ט שלח ליה רב יימר בר שלמיא לרב פפא הא דאמר רבין בר חיננא אמר עולא א"ר חנינא הלכה כר"ש שזורי ולא עוד אלא כל מקום ששנה רבי שמעון שזורי הלכה כמותו אף בנתערב ליה טבל בחולין

9 evidently was of the opinion that<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The words 'According to the law of the Torah a substance loses its identity when mixed in a larger quantity' found here in the text are omitted in all MSS., and are struck out here by Sh. Mek.');">11 the majority of 'amme ha-arez8

י אמר ליה אין אמר רב אשי אמר לי מר זוטרא קשי בה ר' חנינא מסורא פשיטא

10 separate the tithes, so that in this case he would be taking the tithe from what is exempt [from the tithe by the law of the Torah] in respect of what is also exempt [by the Torah]. But why did he not advise him, Go and buy produce from a gentile?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Produce grown in a field belonging to a gentile is, it is assumed for the present, exempt by the law of the Torah from the tithe, but is subject to it only 'by Rabbinic law.');">12 - Because he holds that a gentile cannot own land in the land of Israel so fully as to release it from the obligation of tithe13 so that he would be taking the tithe from what was subject [to tithe by the Torah] in respect of what was exempt. Another version states: He advised him, Go and buy produce from a gentile. Evidently he was of the opinion that a gentile can own land so fully in the land of Israel as to release it from the obligation of tithe so that in this case he would be taking the tithe from what is exempt [by the Torah] in respect of what is exempt too. And why did he not advise him, God and buy' [demai produce] in the market? - Because he holds that the majority of amme ha-arez do not separate the tithes.14 R'Yemar B'Shelemya sent the following question to R'Papa: Does the ruling of Rabin B'Hinena who cited 'Ulla in the name of R'Hanina, namely, that the halachah was in accordance with R'Simeon of Shezur; and moreover, that wherever R'Simeon of Shezur stated his view the halachah was in accordance with it, include that case where untithed produce got mixed up with tithed produce? He replied, It does. R'Ashi said, Mar Zutra told me that R'Hanina of Sura was puzzled at the question. It is obvious, said he;

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