Talmud Bavli
Talmud Bavli

Nedarim 140

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מקיש קודמי הויה שניה לקודמי הויה ראשונה מה קודמי הויה ראשונה אב מיפר לחודיה אף קודמי הויה שניה אב מיפר לחודיה

hence the [vows made by her] previously to her second betrothal are assimilated to [those made] previously to her first betrothal;<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e., since the verse implies a reference to two betrothals, they are equalized, and therefore the periods preceding them too. The period preceding the second betrothal is of course after the first husband's death. ');"><sup>1</sup></span>

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אימא ה"מ בנדרי' שלא נראו לארוס אבל בנדרים שנראו לארוס לא מצי מיפר אב

just as those made before the first betrothal, the father can annul alone, so also those made before the second betrothal, the father can annul alone. But perhaps this is only in the case of vows which were unknown to the arus,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lit., 'which were not seen by the arus'. I.e., the first arus died before becoming aware of them. ');"><sup>2</sup></span>

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אי בנדרים שלא נראו לארוס מבנעוריה בית אביה נפקא

but those which were known to the arus the father is not able to annul?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Just as the vows made prior to her first betrothal. ');"><sup>3</sup></span>

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בזה יפה כח האב מכח הבעל כו' ה"ד

— As to vows unknown to the arus, these<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Sc. that the father can annul these alone after the death of the arus. ');"><sup>4</sup></span>

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אילימא שקידשה כשהיא נערה ובגרה מכדי מיתה מוציאה ובגרות מוציאה מרשות אב מה מיתה לא נתרוקנה רשות לבעל אף בגרות לא נתרוקנה רשות לבעל

follow from 'in her youth, she is in her father's house'.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Which implies that as long as there is no other authority over her, her father is in authority, and the very least to which this can be applied is to vows of which the arus was not aware, hence the deduction from, 'and if she be at all to an husband' must apply even to vows known to the arus before his death ');"><sup>5</sup></span>

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אלא שקידשה כשהיא בוגרת הא תנינא חדא זימנא הבוגר' ששהתה י"ב חדש

IN THIS RESPECT, THE FATHER'S POWER IS GREATER THAN THE HUSBAND'S etc. How is this meant?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' That the husband (arus) can annul the vows of a bogereth. ');"><sup>6</sup></span>

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הא גופא קשיא אמרת הבוגרת ששהתה שנים עשר חדש בבוגרת למה לי שנים עשר חדש בוגרת בל' יום סגי לה תני בוגרת וששהתה י"ב חדש

Shall we say, that he betrothed her<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e. by kiddushin, making her an arusah. ');"><sup>7</sup></span>

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מ"מ קשיא איבעית אימא הכא דוקא ובוגרת קתני התם משום דבעי איפלוגי ר"א ורבנן

whilst a na'arah, and then she became a bogereth? But consider: [her father's] death frees her from her father's authority, and the bogereth stage frees her from her father's authority; then just as at death, his authority does not pass over to her husband, so on puberty, his authority should not pass over to her husband?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Since she was under parental control when she made the vow. ');"><sup>8</sup></span>

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איבעית אימא בוגרת דוקא ואיידי דנסיב רישא בזה נסיב סיפא נמי בזה

Again, if he betrothed her as a bogereth, surely that has already been taught once, viz., A bogereth who tarried twelve months?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' V. infra 73b; there it is seen that the arus can annul the vows of a bogereth. ');"><sup>9</sup></span> (Now this is self-contradictory. You say, 'a bogereth who tarried twelve months': in the case of a bogereth, why twelve months? thirty days are sufficient?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' V. p. 216, n. 1; in the case of a na'arah the interval between kiddushin (erusin) and nissu'in might not be more than twelve months; in the case of a bogereth, not more than thirty days. After that, even if the nissu'in were not celebrated, the arus is responsible for her maintenance, though she is still in her father's house. ');"><sup>10</sup></span> — Read: A bogereth and one [viz., a na'arah] who tarried twelve months.) But still the difficulty remains?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Viz., that we know from elsewhere that the arus can annul the vows of a bogereth. ');"><sup>11</sup></span> — I can answer either that here it is specifically taught, whilst there bogereth is mentioned because it is desired to state the controversy between R. Eliezer and the Rabbis. Or, alternatively, bogereth [there] is specifically taught; but [here], because the first clause states 'IN THIS RESPECT etc.,' a second [contrary] clause IN THIS RESPECT, is added.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Though really unnecessary here. ');"><sup>12</sup></span>

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