Talmud Bavli
Talmud Bavli

Niddah 86

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1

וירדה וטבלה מהו

from the source, and then she<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' For the purpose of her conversion to Judaism. ');"><sup>1</sup></span>

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אם תמצי לומר בתר עקירה אזלינן אע"ג דמצי נקיט להו ה"מ ישראלית דטמאה דאורייתא אבל עובדת כוכבים זבה דטמאה דרבנן לא או דילמא לא שנא

went down and performed ritual immersion? If you were to find a case<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' In respect of an Israelitish woman. ');"><sup>2</sup></span>

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3

תיקו

where we follow the time of the detachment even where the woman can restrain the discharge [the question would arise], Does this apply only to the Israelitish woman who is Pentateuchally unclean but not to an idolatress who was a zabah, since she is only Rabbinically unclean,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Cf. supra n. 5. ');"><sup>3</sup></span>

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ומטמאין בכל שהן

or is it possible that no difference is made between them? — This is undecided.

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אמר שמואל

AND THE DISCHARGES CONVEY UNCLEANNESS HOWEVER SMALL THE QUANTITY. Samuel ruled: [the discharge of] a <i>zab</i><span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' If it is to convey uncleanness. ');"><sup>4</sup></span>

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זב צריך כחתימת פי האמה שנאמר

must be such a quantity as would stop the orifice of the membrum, for it is said in Scriptures Or his flesh be stopped from his issue.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lev. XV, 3. ');"><sup>5</sup></span>

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(ויקרא טו, ג) או החתים בשרו מזובו

But have we not learnt: AND THE DISCHARGES CONVEY UNCLEANNESS, HOWEVER SMALL THE QUANTITY? — He<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Samuel. ');"><sup>6</sup></span>

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והאנן תנן

maintains the same view as R. Nathan. For it was taught: R. Nathan citing R. Ishmael ruled, [the discharge of] a <i>zab</i><span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' If it is to convey uncleanness. ');"><sup>4</sup></span>

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מטמאין בכל שהן

must be such a quantity as would stop the orifice of the membrum; but [the Rabbis] did not agree with him.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Pes. 67b. ');"><sup>7</sup></span>

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הוא דאמר כרבי נתן

What is R. Ishmael's reason? — Because Scripture said, Or his flesh be stopped from his issue.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lev. XV, 3. ');"><sup>5</sup></span>

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דתניא רבי נתן אומר משום רבי ישמעאל

And the Rabbis?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' How can they maintain their ruling in view of this text? ');"><sup>8</sup></span>

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12

זב צריך כחתימת פי האמה ולא הודו לו

— That text<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lev. XV, 3. ');"><sup>9</sup></span>

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מ"ט דרבי ישמעאל

is required for the inference that the discharge conveys uncleanness only when in a state of fluidity<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lit., 'wet', when the orifice can 'be stopped' by it. ');"><sup>10</sup></span>

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דאמר קרא או החתים בשרו מזובו

but not when it is dry.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' When it crumbles away and is incapable of adhesion. ');"><sup>11</sup></span>

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15

ורבנן

And R. Ishmael?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' How, in view of this explanation, can he still maintain his ruling? ');"><sup>12</sup></span>

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ההוא מבעי ליה לח מטמא ואינו מטמא יבש

— That<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' That a discharge conveys uncleanness only when in a state of fluidity. ');"><sup>13</sup></span>

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17

ורבי ישמעאל

is inferred from run.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Run with his issue (Lev. XV, 3). ');"><sup>14</sup></span>

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18

ההוא מרר נפקא

And the Rabbis?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' How can they maintain their ruling in view of this text? ');"><sup>15</sup></span>

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19

ורבנן

— That text<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Run with his issue (Lev. XV, 3). ');"><sup>14</sup></span>

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20

ההוא למנינא הוא דאתא

serves the purpose of indicating the number:<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Of issues that determine the various grades of uncleanness. ');"><sup>16</sup></span>

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21

זובו חדא רר בשרו תרי את זובו תלת לימד על זב בעל שלש ראיות שחייב בקרבן

His issue,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lev. XV, 3. ');"><sup>9</sup></span>

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22

או החתים בשרו מזובו טמא מקצת זובו טמא לימד על זב בעל שתי ראיות שמטמא משכב ומושב

implies once; His flesh run,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lev. XV, 3. ');"><sup>9</sup></span>

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ורבי ישמעאל מנינא מנא ליה

implies twice; With his issue,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lev. XV, 3. ');"><sup>9</sup></span>

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24

נפקא ליה מדרבי סימאי דתניא רבי סימאי אומר

implies three times; thus it was taught that a <i>zab</i> who observed three discharges is under an obligation to bring a sacrifice; Or his flesh be stopped from his issue, it is his uncleanness,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lev. XV, 3. ');"><sup>9</sup></span>

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25

מנה הכתוב שתים וקראו טמא שלש וקראו טמא

implies that he is unclean even on account of a part of the number of his issues,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' 'From his issues' (emphasis on 'from') implying 'a part'. ');"><sup>17</sup></span>

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26

הא כיצד

this teaches that a <i>zab</i> who observed only two discharges conveys uncleanness to his couch and seat. As to R. Ishmael, however,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Who requires the expression of 'run with his issue' for the inference he mentioned supra. ');"><sup>18</sup></span>

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27

שתים לטומאה ושלש לקרבן

whence does he deduce the number required?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' As just indicated according to the Rabbis. ');"><sup>19</sup></span>

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28

ולמאן דנפקא ליה תרוייהו {ויקרא טו } מזאת תהיה טומאתו בזובו (ויקרא טו, ב) איש איש כי יהיה זב מבשרו מאי עביד ליה

— He derives it from an exposition of R. Simai; for it was taught: R. Simai stated, Scripture enumerated two issues and described the man as unclean<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' When any man hath an issue out of his flesh (Lev. XV, 2), counts as one; his issue be unclean (ibid), counts as a second. ');"><sup>20</sup></span>

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29

מבעי ליה עד שיצא מבשרו

and it also enumerated three issues and described the man as unclean,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' This shall be his uncleanness in his issue (Lev. XV, 3) counts as one; His flesh run with his issue (ibid.) counts as a second; or his flesh be stopped from his issue (ibid.) counts as a third. ');"><sup>21</sup></span>

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30

זובו טמא למה לי

how is this to be reconciled? Two observations subject a man to the restrictions of uncleanness, and three observations render him liable to bring a sacrifice. But according to the Rabbis<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lit., 'him'. ');"><sup>22</sup></span>

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31

לימד על הזוב שהוא טמא

who deduced both numbers from 'This shall be his uncleanness in his issue',<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Supra. ');"><sup>23</sup></span>

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אמר רב חנילאי משום ר"א בר"ש

what deduction do they make from the text 'when any man hath an issue out of his flesh'?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Cf. supra n. 12. ');"><sup>24</sup></span>

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33

שכבת זרע לרואה במשהו לנוגע בכעדשה

— They require it for the deduction that uncleanness does not begin until the discharge emerged from one's flesh. What need, however, was there for 'His issue be unclean'?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Cf. supra n. 12. ');"><sup>24</sup></span>

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34

והאנן מטמאין בכל שהן תנן

— 'This teaches that the issue itself<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' And not only the man who suffered from it. ');"><sup>25</sup></span>

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מאי לאו לנוגע

is unclean.

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36

לא לרואה

R. Hanilai citing R. Eliezer son of R. Simeon ruled: Semen conveys uncleanness to the man who emitted it,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lit., 'to the one who observes'. ');"><sup>26</sup></span>

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37

ת"ש

however small its quantity, but as regards the man who touched it its quantity must be of the bulk of a lentil.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' A lesser quantity, as is the case with a dead creeping thing, conveys no uncleanness. ');"><sup>27</sup></span>

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38

חומר בשכבת זרע מבשרץ וחומר בשרץ מבשכבת זרע

But did we not learn, AND THE DISCHARGES CONVEY UNCLEANNESS, HOWEVER SMALL THE QUANTITY, which applies, does it not, to the case of one who touched semen? — No, it applies only to one who emitted it.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lit., 'to the one who observes'. ');"><sup>26</sup></span>

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חומר בשרץ שהשרץ אין חלוקה טומאתו מה שאין כן בשכבת זרע

Come and hear: In one respect the law of semen is more restrictive than that of a dead creeping thing while in another respect the law of a dead creeping thing is more restrictive than that of semen. 'The law of a dead creeping thing is more restrictive' in that no distinction [of age] is made about its uncleanness,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Young and old are equally unclean. ');"><sup>28</sup></span>

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40

חומר בשכבת זרע שהשכבת זרע מטמא בכל שהוא מה שאין כן בשרץ

which is not the case with semen.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The uncleanness on account of an emission of semen being restricted to one who is over nine years of age. ');"><sup>29</sup></span>

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41

מאי לאו לנוגע

'The law of semen is more restrictive' in that uncleanness is conveyed by its smallest quantity, which is not the case with a creeping thing.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Tosef. Kel. I. Cf. supra n. 2. ');"><sup>30</sup></span>

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42

לא לרואה

Now does not this apply to one who touched the semen?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' But this would present an objection against R. Hanilai's ruling. ');"><sup>31</sup></span>

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43

והא דומיא דשרץ קתני מה שרץ בנגיעה אף שכבת זרע בנגיעה

— No, it applies only to one who emitted it.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lit., 'to the one who observes'. ');"><sup>32</sup></span>

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44

אמר רב אדא בר אהבה

But was it not taught as being on a par with the creeping thing: As the latter is a case of touching so also the former?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' But this would present an objection against R. Hanilai's ruling. ');"><sup>31</sup></span>

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45

שום שרץ קתני ושום שכבת זרע קתני

— R. Adda b. Ahabah replied: The ruling referred to a creeping thing in general<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lit., 'the name of' or 'any'. ');"><sup>33</sup></span>

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46

ושרץ לא מטמא במשהו

and to semen in general.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Sc. it referred to the form of uncleanness appropriate to each. A dead creeping thing can never convey uncleanness unless its bulk is of the prescribed size, while semen, when it concerns the man who had emitted it, may convey uncleanness, however small its quantity. ');"><sup>34</sup></span>

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47

והא אנן תנן

But does a creeping thing convey no uncleanness even when it is of the smallest bulk? Have we not in fact learnt: Members of the body<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Sc. any part of it which consists of flesh, sinews and bones (v. Bertinoro). ');"><sup>35</sup></span>

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48

האברים אין להם שיעור

have<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' In regard to the conveyance of uncleanness. ');"><sup>36</sup></span>

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49

פחות מכזית בשר המת ופחות מכזית בשר נבלה ופחות מכעדשה מן השרץ

no prescribed minimum size [and uncleanness is, therefore, conveyed] by less than the size of an olive of corpse,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Cf. prev. n. but one. ');"><sup>37</sup></span>

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50

שאני אבר דכוליה במקום עדשה קאי דהא אילו חסר פורתא אבר מי קמטמיא

by less than the size of an olive of <i>nebelah</i> or by less than the size of a lentil of a dead creeping thing?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Oh. I, 7, which shows that a dead creeping thing conveys uncleanness, however small its bulk. ');"><sup>38</sup></span>

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51

שכבת זרע דחלוקה טומאתו מאי היא

— It is different with a member of the body<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' V. p. 300, n. 10. ');"><sup>39</sup></span>

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52

אילימא בין ישראל לדנכרים ה"נ איכא עכבר דים ועכבר דיבשה

since the whole of it takes the place of the size of a lentil; for were any part of it<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lit., 'a portion'. ');"><sup>40</sup></span>

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53

אלא בין קטן לגדול

missing,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Cf. supra p. 300, n. 10. ');"><sup>41</sup></span>

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54

אמר רב פפא

would the member<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' That was smaller than a lentil. ');"><sup>42</sup></span>

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55

כתנאי מנין לרבות נוגע בש"ז ת"ל (ויקרא כב, ד) או איש

have conveyed any uncleanness?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Obviously not; which shows that it is only on account of its importance that the force of conveying uncleanness (as a piece of the prescribed size) was imparted to it. Any other part of the body, however, is subject to the prescribed minimum. ');"><sup>43</sup></span>

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56

ופליגי תנאי בעלמא דאיכא דאמרי דון מינה ומינה ואיכא דאמרי דון מינה ואוקי באתרא

What is meant by the 'distinction in uncleanness' in the case of semen? If it be suggested: The distinction between the semen of an Israelite and that of foreigners [it could be objected]: Is there not in this case also<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' That of a creeping thing. ');"><sup>44</sup></span>

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57

למ"ד דון מינה ומינה

a distinction between a sea-mouse and a land-mouse?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Of course there is! A sea-mouse (cf. Hul. 126b) conveys no uncleanness. ');"><sup>45</sup></span>

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58

מה שרץ בנגיעה אף שכבת זרע בנגיעה

— The distinction rather is that between a minor and an adult.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' No uncleanness is conveyed by that of a child under nine years of age. ');"><sup>46</sup></span>

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59

ומינה מה שרץ בכעדשה אף ש"ז בכעדשה

R. Papa stated: This ruling<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Of R. Hanilai, that semen less in quantity than the bulk of a lentil conveys no uncleanness by means of touch. ');"><sup>47</sup></span>

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60

ולמ"ד דון מינה ואוקי באתרא

is a point at issue between Tannas:<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lit., 'like Tannas'. ');"><sup>48</sup></span>

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61

מה שרץ בנגיעה אף ש"ז בנגיעה

[For it was taught] whence do we derive the inclusion in uncleanness of one who touched semen? From Scripture which explicitly stated, Or whosoever;<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' This is now presumed to refer to Lev. XXII, 5, which deals with the uncleanness of a creeping thing. ');"><sup>49</sup></span>

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62

ואוקי באתרא

and elsewhere Tannas differ on a relevant point,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Which (as will be shown presently) has a bearing on this deduction: ');"><sup>50</sup></span>

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63

מה ש"ז לרואה במשהו אף לנוגע במשהו

for there are those who hold that a deduction is carried through in all respects<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lit., 'judge from it and (again) from it', i.e., all that applies to the case from which deduction is made is also applicable to the case deduced ');"><sup>51</sup></span>

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64

א"ל רב הונא בריה דרב נתן לרב פפא

while others hold that a deduction is limited by its original basis.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lit., 'judge from it and set it in its (original) place', i.e., the rules applicable to the case deduced limit the scope of the deduction. ');"><sup>52</sup></span>

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65

ממאי דמאו איש דשרץ קמרבי ליה דילמא מאו איש אשר תצא ממנו שכבת זרע קמרבי ליה

Now according to those who hold that a deduction is carried through in all respects<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lit., 'judge from it and (again) from it', i.e., all that applies to the case from which deduction is made is also applicable to the case deduced ');"><sup>51</sup></span>

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66

ודכ"ע דון מינה ומינה

it follows that as a dead creeping thing<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' From the law of which that of semen had presumably been deduced (cf. n. 12). ');"><sup>53</sup></span>

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67

שיילינהו לתנאי איכא דתני כרב פפא ואיכא דתני כרב הונא בריה דרב נתן

conveys uncleanness through touch so does semen convey uncleanness by touch and, consequently,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lit., 'and from it', since 'a deduction is carried through in all respects.' ');"><sup>54</sup></span>

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68

<big><strong>מתני׳</strong></big> תנוקת בת יום אחד מטמאה בנדה בת י' ימים מטמאה בזיבה

as a dead creeping thing conveys uncleanness only when it is of the bulk of a lentil so does semen convey uncleanness only when it is of the bulk of a lentil; while according to him who maintained that a deduction is limited by its original basis<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' V. p. 301, n. 15. ');"><sup>55</sup></span>

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תנוק בן יום אחד מטמא בזיבה ומטמא בנגעים ומטמא בטמא מת וזוקק ליבום ופוטר מן היבום ומאכיל בתרומה ופוסל (את) [מן] התרומה

it also follows that as a dead creeping thing conveys uncleanness through touch so does semen convey uncleanness through touch, but then, limiting it to its original basis, as semen conveys uncleanness to the man who emitted it, however small its quantity, so does it also convey uncleanness to the man who touched it, however small its quantity.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' It has thus been shown that R. Hanilai's ruling is a point at issue between Tannas. Is it likely, however, that R. Hanilai would differ from the Tannas who presumably hold a different view? ');"><sup>56</sup></span> Said<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' In an attempt to remove the difficulty (cf. prev. n. second clause). ');"><sup>57</sup></span> R. Huna son of R. Nathan to R. Papa: Whence the proof that the inclusion in uncleanness of one who touched semen is deduced from the expression of 'Or whosoever occurring in the context dealing with the creeping thing?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lev. XXII, 5, as presumed by R. Papa supra. ');"><sup>58</sup></span> Is it not possible that the inclusion is derived from the expression of 'Or from whomsoever the flow of seed goeth out,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lev. XXII, 4. ');"><sup>59</sup></span> and<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Since the deduction is not made from the contact of the creeping thing. ');"><sup>60</sup></span> all may be of the opinion that a deduction is to be carried through in all respects?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Sc. even if all were to uphold this view, uncleanness would nevertheless be conveyed by the touch of the smallest quantity of semen, since the inference is made, not from the uncleanness of the creeping thing but from that of the emission of semen which is conveyed by the smallest quantity. ');"><sup>61</sup></span> The Tannas<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Those who recited Mishnahs and Baraithas at the college; v. Glos. s.v. (b). ');"><sup>62</sup></span> were asked<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' To give a decision as to whether R. Papa or R. Huna was in the right. ');"><sup>63</sup></span> Some recited as R. Papa while others recited in agreement with R. Huna son of R. Nathan. <b><i>MISHNAH</i></b>. A GIRL ONE DAY OLD IS SUBJECT TO THE UNCLEANNESS OF MENSTRUATION. ONE WHO IS TEN DAYS OLD IS SUBJECT TO THE UNCLEANNESS OF <i>ZIBAH</i>. A BOY ONE DAY OLD IS SUBJECT TO THE UNCLEANNESS OF <i>ZIBAH</i>, AND TO THE UNCLEANNESS OF LEPROSY AND THAT OF CORPSEUNCLEANNESS; HE SUBJECTS [HIS DECEASED BROTHER'S WIDOW] TO THE DUTY OF LEVIRATE MARRIAGE;<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Provided he was born prior to his brother's death. ');"><sup>64</sup></span> HE EXEMPTS [HIS MOTHER] FROM THE LEVIRATE MARRIAGE,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' If he was born after his father's death though he only lived for a short while. ');"><sup>65</sup></span> HE ENABLES HER<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' His mother, the daughter of an Israelite, who was married to a priest, though the latter was dead when the child was born. ');"><sup>66</sup></span> TO EAT <i>TERUMAH</i> AND HE ALSO CAUSES HER TO BE DISQUALIFIED FROM EATING <i>TERUMAH</i>;<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' This is now presumed to refer to a priest's daughter who was married to an Israelite who died and was survived by a son one day old (v. Gemara infra.) ');"><sup>67</sup></span>

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