Pesachim 24

Chapter 24

א אלא בין יממא לליליא לא טעו אינשי ובדין הוא דניתיב לקמיה טפי אלא שבה' חמה במזרח ובז' חמה במערב
1 but that people do not err between day and night; and logically we should give them more at the end,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lit., 'forward'.');"><sup>1</sup></span> but that in the fifth hour the sun is in the east while in the seventh the sun is in the west.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' According to R. Meir: if A testified that the crime was committed in the second hour, and B that it took place in the third, their testimony is valid (v. Supra 11b) , unless they are rebutted over the whole period in which an error is possible. Thus A, if rebutted, can plead that he erred, and that the crime actually took place either in the first hour or in the third or fourth. He should also be able to plead that it took place within the hour before sunrise, since R. Meir allows for an error of nearly two hours, but that he would never mistake night for day. Similarly B, if rebutted, can plead that he erred, and that the crime took place at any time between the first and the fifth hour. Hence they are liable to be rebutted over the whole of this time; i.e., C and D testify that they were elsewhere from the first until the fifth hour, and such rebuttal is designated a rebuttal in respect of hours, and therefore the evidence, if unrefuted, is valid. By the same reasoning, according to R. Judah, who allows for a margin of nearly three hours' error, the period is from the first until the sixth hour, the seventh being disregarded, as explained in the GEMARA: - This wide latitude is granted only in so far that the witnesses will not be subject to retaliation (v. p. 53, n. 4) otherwise, but the evidence none the less may be void. E.g., if it is necessary to assume that B erred in two hours and that he really meant the fifth hour, A's testimony cannot be reconciled with it on any reasoning, and as we are left with one witness only the accused cannot be condemned.');"><sup>2</sup></span>
ב תנן ר"מ אומר אוכלין כל ה' ושורפין בתחילת ו' רבי יהודה אומר אוכלין כל ד' ותולין כל ה' ושורפין בתחילת ו'
2 We learned: R'MEIR SAID: ONE MAY EAT [LEAVEN] THE WHOLE OF THE FIVE [HOURS] AND MUST BURN [IT] AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SIXTH. R'JUDAH SAID: ONE MAY EAT THE WHOLE OF THE FOUR [HOURS].
ג לאביי אליבא דר"מ דאמר אין אדם טועה ולא כלום ניכול כולה שית ולהך לישנא נמי דאמר אדם טועה משהו ניכול עד סוף שית
3 KEEP [IT] IN SUSPENSE THE WHOLE OF THE FIFTH, AND MUST BURN [IT] AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SIXTH. Now according to Abaye who maintains that on R'Meir's view a man does not err at all, let us eat [leaven] for the whole of the six [hours]?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e, right until midday, when it is forbidden by Scriptural law.');"><sup>3</sup></span>
ד ואביי אליבא דר' יהודה דאמר אדם טועה חצי שעה ניכול עד פלגא דשית ולהך לישנא נמי דאמרת אדם טועה שעה ומשהו ניכול עד סוף ה'
4 And even on the version which asserts [that] a man may err slightly, let us eat until the end of the sixth hour?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e., until just before midday.');"><sup>4</sup></span> And according to Abaye on R'Judah's view, who maintains [that] a man may err in half an hour, let us eat [leaven] until half of the sixth hour; and even on the version in which you say.
ה (אלא) אמר אביי עדות מסורה לזריזים חמץ לכל מסור
5 A man may err in an hour and a trifle, let us eat until the end of the fifth hour? - Said Abaye: Testimony is committed to careful men,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' A man does not come to testify without being very careful on the question of time, as he knows that he will be cross-examined.');"><sup>5</sup></span> [whereas] leaven is committed to all.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Every man uses his own judgment, and therefore a far wider margin of error is possible.');"><sup>6</sup></span>
ו ורבא אליבא דר"מ דאמר אדם טועה שתי שעות חסר משהו מתחילת ה' לא ניכול ה' חמה במזרח וז' חמה במערב
6 Now according to Raba who maintains [that] on R'Meir's view a man may err in two hours less a trifle, let us not eat [leaven] from the beginning of the fifth [hour]? - In the fifth [hour] the s in the east, while in the seventh the sun is in the west.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' And the interdict of leaven commences in the seventh only; hence there is no possibility of error.');"><sup>7</sup></span> If so, let us eat during the sixth [hour] too? - Said R Adda B'Ahabah: In the sixth the sun stands in the meridian.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lit., 'between the corners', - equidistant from the east and the west, and so an error is possible.');"><sup>8</sup></span>
ז אי הכי בשית נמי ניכול אמר רב אדא בר אהבה שית יומא בקרנתא קאי
7 And according to Raba who maintains on R'Judah's view [that] a man may err in three hours less a trifle, let us not eat from the beginning of the fourth [hour]? - In the fifth [hour] the sun is in the east, while in the seventh it is in the west, and all the more s the fourth. If so, let us also eat in the fifth [hour]? - Abaye answered this on Raba's view: Testimony is committed to men of care, [whereas] leaven is committed to all.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Hence in the matter of leaven people may err between the fifth and the seventh hours, in spite of the difference in the sun's position. Nevertheless, they would not err from the fourth to the seventh.');"><sup>9</sup></span>
ח ורבא אליבא דר' יהודה דאמר אדם טועה ג' שעות חסר משהו מתחילת ד' לא ניכול ה' חמה במזרח ושבע חמה במערב וכל שכן ד' אי הכי בה' נמי ניכול
8 But Raba said: Now this is R'Judah's reason, but R'Judah follows his opinion. for he maintains, There is no removal of leaven save by burning; the Rabbis therefore gave him one hour in which to collect fuel.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Hence the fifth hour is kept in suspense, for if one were permitted to eat then he might forget about collecting fuel.');"><sup>10</sup></span>
ט תרגמה אביי אליבא דרבא עדות מסורה לזריזים חמץ לכל מסור
9 Rabina raised an objection to Raba: R'Judah said: When is this?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' That burning is the only form of removal.');"><sup>11</sup></span> before<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lit., 'not at'.');"><sup>12</sup></span>
י ורבא אמר לאו היינו טעמא דרבי יהודה אלא רבי יהודה לטעמי' דאמר אין ביעור חמץ אלא שריפה ויהבו ליה רבנן שעה אחת ללקוט בה עצים
10 the time of removal;<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e.. during the sixth hour, before there is the Scriptural injunction to put away leaven.');"><sup>13</sup></span> but at the time of removal its 'putting away' is with anything.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' It can be destroyed in any fashion. - Then why keep it in suspense? if he forgets to collect fuel he can destroy it in another way.');"><sup>14</sup></span>
יא איתיביה רבינא לרבא א"ר יהודה אימתי שלא בשעת ביעורו אבל בשעת ביעורו השבתתו בכל דבר
11 Rather said Raba: It is a preventive measure on account of a cloudy day.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' When the position of the sun cannot be clearly ascertained.');"><sup>15</sup></span> If so, let us no eat even during the four hours? - Said R'Papa: The fourth [hour] is the general mealtime.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Hence everybody knows it.');"><sup>16</sup></span>
יב אלא אמר רבא גזירה משום יום המעונן אי הכי אפילו בארבע שעות נמי לא ניכול אמר רב פפא ד' זמן סעודה לכל היא
12 Our Rabbis taught: The first hour [of the day] is the mealtime for gladiators;<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Whose diet requires special attention (Jast.) ; or perhaps, circus attendants.');"><sup>17</sup></span> the second is the mealtime for robbers;<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Rashi: Both are rapacious, hence they eat so early; but robbers, being awake all night, sleep during the first hour of the day.');"><sup>18</sup></span>
יג ת"ר שעה ראשונה מאכל לודים שניה מאכל ליסטין שלישית מאכל יורשין רביעית מאכל פועלין חמישית מאכל תלמידי חכמים ששית מאכל כל אדם
13 the third is the mealtime for heirs;<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Not having to earn their living, they have their main meal earlier than others.');"><sup>19</sup></span> the fourth is the mealtime for labourers;<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' In the field.');"><sup>20</sup></span>
יד והאמר רב פפא רביעית זמן סעודה לכל היא אלא איפוך רביעית מאכל כל אדם חמישית מאכל פועלים ששית מאכל תלמידי חכמים
14 the fifth is the mealtime for scholars; the sixth is the general mealtime.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lit., 'the mealtime of all (other) men'.');"><sup>21</sup></span> But R'Papa said: The fourth [hour] is the general mealtime? - Rather reverse it: The fourth is the general mealtime; the fifth is for labourers; and the sixth is for scholars After that it is like throwing a stone into a barrel.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' No benefit is derived.');"><sup>22</sup></span>
טו מכאן ואילך כזורק אבן לחמת אמר אביי לא אמרן אלא דלא טעים מידי בצפרא אבל טעים מידי בצפרא לית לן בה
15 Abaye said: That was said only if nothing at all is eaten in the morning; but if something was eaten in the morning. we have nought against it.
טז אמר רב אשי כמחלוקת בעדות כך מחלוקת בחמץ פשיטא היינו הך דאמרינן הא קא משמע לן שינויי דשנינן שינויא הוא ולא תימא תנאי היא
16 R'Ashi said: As there is a controversy in respect of testimony. so is there a controversy in respect of leaven.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Just as R. Meir and R. Judah differ in the possible errors of time in respect to evidence, so in respect of the prohibition of leaven.');"><sup>23</sup></span>
יז אמר רב שימי בר אשי לא שנו אלא בשעות אבל אחד אומר קודם הנץ החמה ואחד אומר אחר הנץ החמה עדותן בטילה פשיטא
17 But it is obvious? That is precisely what we have said!<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The whole of our discussion assumes that the two subjects are completely analogous.');"><sup>24</sup></span>
יח אלא אחד אומר קודם הנץ החמה ואחד אומר בתוך הנץ החמה עדותן בטילה הא נמי פשיטא מהו דתימא תרוייהו חדא מילתא קאמרי והא דקאמר
18 This is what he informs us: the answers which we gave are [correct] answers, and you need not say that it is dependent on Tannaim.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' For though the views of R. Meir and R. Judah are apparently self-contradictory, they have been reconciled. R. Ashi informs us that it is unnecessary to assume that they actually represent irreconcilable opinions. there being a controversy of Tannaim as to the views of R. Meir and R. Judah.');"><sup>25</sup></span> R'Simi B'Ashi said: They learned this<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' That a margin of error, perhaps up to nearly three hours, is allowed in testimony.');"><sup>26</sup></span> only in respect of hours;<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e., when the witnesses state the hour of the day.');"><sup>27</sup></span> but if one testified [that the crime was committed] before sunrise and the others testified, after sunrise, their testimony is void. That is obvious? - Rather [say] if one testified [that it was] during sunrise, their testimony is void. That too is obvious? You might say, Both testified to the same thing, while he who said [that it was]