Sanhedrin 137

Chapter 137

א ואמר רחמנא איש איש אתה צריך לחזור עליו אם יש לו גואלין ואם לאו קטן אי אתה צריך לחזור עליו בידוע שאין לו גואלין
1 and the Divine Law states, But if the man etc.,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' 'Man' is superfluous, as the verse could have read, But if he hath no kinsman&nbsp;… ');"><sup>1</sup></span>
ב איתיביה אביי איש אין לי אלא איש בן ט' שנים ויום אחד שראוי לביאה מניין ת"ל ואיש
2 teaching that only in the case of a man must thou seek whether he has kinsmen or not, but not in the case of a minor, for it is obvious that he can have none.
ג א"ל יש לו ואינו מוליד כתבואה שלא הביאה שליש דמי
3 Abaye objected. [It has been taught: And If any man lieth carnally &nbsp; &nbsp; with a woman that is a bondmaid].<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lev. XIX, 20. ');"><sup>2</sup></span>
ד דבי חזקיה תנא (שמות כא, יד) וכי יזיד איש איש מזיד ומזריע ואין קטן מזיד ומזריע א"ל רב מרדכי לרב אשי מאי משמע דהאי מזיד לישנא דבשולי הוא דכתיב (בראשית כה, כט) ויזד יעקב נזיד
4 'A man': from this I know the law <font>only with respect to a man</font>: whence do I know it of <font>one aged nine years and a day who is capable of intercourse?</font> From the verse, And 'if a man'?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' 'And' ([H]) indicates an extension of the law, and is here interpreted to include a minor aged nine years and a day. ');"><sup>3</sup></span>
ה והא תנא דבי ר' ישמעאל בן ולא אב
5 — He replied: <font>Such a minor can produce semen</font>, but cannot beget therewith; <font>for it is like the seed of cereals less than a third grown</font>.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Such cereals contain seed, which if sown, however, will not grow. ');"><sup>4</sup></span>
ו היכי דמי אילימא דאיעבר בתר דאייתי שתי שערות ואוליד מקמי דלקיף זקן מי איכא שהות כולי האי והא א"ר כרוספדאי כל ימיו של בן סורר ומורה אינו אלא ג' חדשים בלבד אלא לאו דאיעבר מקמי דלייתי שתי שערות ואוליד מקמיה דלקיף זקן וש"מ קטן מוליד
6 The School of Hezekiah taught: But if a man came presumptuously [yazid] upon his neighbour to slay him with guile:<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Ex XXI, 14. ');"><sup>5</sup></span>
ז לא לעולם דאיעבר בתר דאייתי שתי שערות ואוליד בתר דאקיף זקן ודקא קשיא דרבי כרוספדאי כי אתא רב דימי אמר אמרי במערבא בן ולא הראוי לקרותו אב
7 <font>a man can inflame [his genital] and emit semen</font>, but not a minor.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Hif'il, [H] (come presumptuously), is here derived from [H], to seethe, Hif'il, hezid, to cook, boil, the technical terms for the excitation producing semen. Rashi states that this interpretation is placed upon the word, for if mere wanton wickedness were referred to, Scripture should have written Yarshia' [H] from [H], a wicked man. Thus, by this exegesis, a minor is excluded from the scope of the law. ');"><sup>6</sup></span>
ח גופא אמר ר' כרוספדאי א"ר שבתי כל ימיו של בן סורר ומורה אינן אלא ג' חדשים בלבד והאנן תנן משיביא שתי שערות ועד שיקיף זקן הקיף זקן אע"ג דלא מלו ג' חדשים מלו ג' חדשים אע"ג דלא הקיף
8 R. Mordechai asked of R. Ashi: Whence do we know that mezid denotes heating? — From the verse, And Jacob sod [wa-yazed] pottage.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' [H] Gen. XXV, 29. ');"><sup>7</sup></span>
ט יתיב רבי יעקב מנהר פקוד קמיה דרבינא ויתיב וקאמר משמיה דרב הונא בריה דרב יהושע ש"מ מדרבי כרוספדאי א"ר שבתי יולדת לשבעה אין עוברה ניכר לשליש ימיה
9 But this is not so.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Thus the text as reconstructed by Rashal. This is an objection to the view that a minor cannot beget children. ');"><sup>8</sup></span>
י דאי ס"ד עוברה ניכר לשליש ימיה למה לי ג' בתרי ותילתא סגיא
10 For the School of Ishmael<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' V. p. 387 n. 7. Similarly. the 'School of Ishmael' refers to his successors long after him; Weiss, Dor, 11. p. 93, 94 (where he implies that some teachings introduced by this caption did not really originate with him, or were such of which he would not have approved). ');"><sup>9</sup></span>
יא א"ל לעולם אימא לך עוברה ניכר לשליש ימיה זיל בתר רובא
11 taught: If a man have a son:<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Deut. XXI, 18. ');"><sup>10</sup></span>
יב אמרוה קמיה דרב הונא בריה דרב יהושע אמר ליה ובדיני נפשות מי אזלינן בתר רובא התורה אמרה (במדבר לה, כד) ושפטו העדה והצילו העדה ואת אמרת זיל בתר רובא
12 implying, a son but not a father.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e. if the son is himself a father already, this law does not apply. ');"><sup>11</sup></span>
יג אהדרוה קמיה דרבינא א"ל ובדיני נפשות לא אזלינן בתר רובא והתנן אחד אומר בשנים בחדש ואחד אומר בג' עדותן קיימת שזה יודע בעיבורו של חדש וזה אינו יודע
13 Now, how is this possible? Shall we say that he impregnated [his wife] after producing <font>two hairs</font>, and begot before the hair was fully grown<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Since these are the limits between which the law operates. ');"><sup>12</sup></span>
יד ואי ס"ד לא אמרינן זיל בתר רובא נימא הני דוקא קא מסהדי ואכחושי הוא דקא מכחשי אהדדי אלא לאו משום דאמרינן זיל בתר רובא ורובא דאינשי עבדי דטעו בעיבורא דירחא
14 — but can there be such a long interval [between these, as to allow for complete gestation]? Did not R. Keruspedai say: The extreme limits of a 'stubborn and rebellious' son are only three months?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Whilst the fetus needs at least six months to develop. ');"><sup>13</sup></span>
טו אמר רבי ירמיה מדפתי אף אנן נמי תנינא בת שלש שנים ויום אחד מתקדשת בביאה ואם בא עליה יבם קנאה וחייבין עליה משום אשת איש
15 Hence he must have caused conception before producing two hairs, and begot the child before the hair was fully grown; [and in that case he is excluded from the operation of the law] thus proving that a minor can beget children! — No. In truth, this refers to one who impregnated [his wife] after the appearance of two hairs, and begot [the child] after his hair was fully grown. But as for the difficulty raised by R. Keruspedai's dictum, — when R. Dimi came, he said: In the West [i.e.. Palestine], they explain [the deduction of the School of Ishmael] thus; a son, but not one who is fit to be called a father.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e., once his wife is impregnated he is already fit to be called a father. But it is unnecessary to exclude him when he is already a father, for by then this hair must be fully grown, and he is automatically excluded by the limitations expressed in the Mishnah. ');"><sup>14</sup></span>
טז ומטמא את בועלה לטמא משכב התחתון כעליון נישאת לכהן אוכלת בתרומה בא עליה אחד מן הפסולין פסלה מן הכהונה ואם בא עליה אחד מכל העריות האמורות בתורה מומתין עליה והיא פטורה
16 To revert to the above text: 'R. Keruspedai said in R. Shabbethai's name: The extreme limit of a "stubborn and rebellious son" is only three months'. But did we not learn, FROM THE TIME THAT HE PRODUCES TWO HAIRS UNTIL HE GROWS A BEARD RIGHT ROUND? — If he grew a beard, even if three months have elapsed, or if three months elapsed, even if he did not grow a beard [he is no longer liable].<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e., whichever period is shorter. ');"><sup>15</sup></span> R. Jacob of Nehar Pekod<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' [A town in the vicinity of Nehardea; v. Obermeyer, Die Landschaft Babylonien, 270ff.] ');"><sup>16</sup></span> sat before Rabina, and said thus in the name of R. Huna the son of R. Joshua: From the dictum of R. Keruspedai in R. Shabbethai's name one may deduce that if a woman bears at seven months, her pregnancy is not discernible at a third of its course; for if it is, why three months: two and a third are sufficient?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' For the fetus being then discernible, the son is fit to be called a father, and is no longer liable, as stated above. v. Yeb. 35a. ');"><sup>17</sup></span> He demurred: In truth, it may be that her pregnancy becomes manifest at a third of its course, but we must regard the majority.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Whose pregnancy lasts nine months, the fetus thus not being discernible before three months, when the son becomes fit to be called a father and no longer liable to the law of a rebellious son. ');"><sup>18</sup></span> Now, this was repeated before R. Huna the son of R. Joshua, whereupon he remarked: But can we consider the majority [only, disregarding the majority entirely] in capital charges; did not the Torah say, Then the congregation shall judge&nbsp;… and the congregation shall deliver the slayer?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Num. XXXV, 25f; this is taken to mean, that in doubt, the accused be given the benefit. ');"><sup>19</sup></span> Yet you say, regard &nbsp; &nbsp; the majority! This was reported back to Rabina. He replied: Do we then not follow the majority in capital charges? But we learnt: If one witness testified that the crime was committed on the second day of the month, and one on the third, their testimony is valid; for one knew that the past month had been full, and the other did not.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' V. supra 40a. ');"><sup>20</sup></span> But if you maintain that we do not follow the majority, should we not say that these witnesses testify exactly,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Jewish months are of either twenty-nine or thirty days duration. As the sanctification of the new month depended on the direct testimony of witnesses, each new month being proclaimed by the Sanhedrin. it well might happen that a witness had not known that the preceding month had consisted of thirty days, and hence thought that the day of the crime was the third, instead of the second, of the new month. ');"><sup>21</sup></span> and thus contradict each other? Hence it surely must be that we follow the majority who are wont to err with respect to the fulness of the month. R. Jeremiah of Difti said: We also learnt the following: <font>A maiden aged three years and a day may be acquired in marriage by coition, and if her deceased husband's brother cohabited with her, she becomes his. The penalty of adultery may be incurred through her; [if a <i>niddah</i>,] she defiles him who has connection with her, so that he in turn defiles that upon which he lies, as a garment which has lain upon [a person afflicted with gonorrhoea]</font>. If she married a priest, she may eat of <i>terumah</i>; if any unfit person cohabits with her, he disqualifies her from the priesthood. <font>If any of the forbidden degrees had intercourse with her, they are executed on her account</font>, but she is exempt.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e. that since there is a minority that does not err in respect of the length of the month, why not assume that each knows the length of the preceding month? ');"><sup>22</sup></span>