Shabbat 84

Chapter 84

א אבל נותן הוא לתוך הקערה או לתוך התמחוי רבי יהודה אומר לכל הוא נותן חוץ מדבר שיש בו חומץ וציר:
1 BUT ONE MAY PUT [SPICES] INTO A DISH OR A TUREEN.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Containing a hot stew. The dish or tureen is a 'second vessel', which cannot make the spices boil. ');"><sup>1</sup></span> R. JUDAH SAID: HE MAY PUT [SPICES] INTO ANYTHING EXCEPT WHAT CONTAINS VINEGAR OR BRINE.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Being sharp, they cause the spices to boil. ');"><sup>2</sup></span>
ב <big><strong>גמ׳</strong></big> איבעיא להו רבי יהודה ארישא קאי ולקולא או דילמא אסיפא קאי ולחומרא
2 <b><i>GEMARA</i></b>. The scholars propounded: Does R. Judah refer to the first clause, and [he rules] in the direction of leniency;<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e., the first Tanna, having stated that spices may not be put into a 'first vessel', R. Judah permits it, save where it contains vinegar or brine. ');"><sup>3</sup></span> or perhaps he refers to the second clause, [inclining] to stringency?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The first Tanna permits spices to be put into a 'second vessel', no matter what its contents, whereas R. Judah makes an exception. ');"><sup>4</sup></span>
ג ת"ש דתניא רבי יהודה אומר לכל אילפסין הוא נותן לכל הקדירות רותחות הוא נותן חוץ מדבר שיש בו חומץ וציר
3 — Come and hear: R. Judah said: One may put [spices] into all stew pots and into all boiling pots that are seething, except aught that contains vinegar or brine.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Thus he refers to a 'first vessel'. ');"><sup>5</sup></span> R. Joseph thought to rule that salt is like spices, [viz.,] that it boils in a 'first vessel' but not in a second vessel'. Said Abaye to him, R. Hiyya taught: Salt is not like spices, for it boils even in a second vessel'. Now, he differs from R. Nahman, who said: Salt requires as much boiling as ox flesh. Others state, R. Joseph thought to rule: Salt is like spices, [viz.,] that it boils in a 'first vessel' but not in a 'second vessel'. Said Abaye to him, R. Hiyya taught: Salt is not like spices, for it does not boil even in a 'first vessel'. And this is identical with R. Nahmanis dictum: Salt requires as much boiling as ox flesh.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Hence it does not boil unless actually on the fire. ');"><sup>6</sup></span>
ד סבר רב יוסף למימר מלח הרי הוא כתבלין דבכלי ראשון בשלה ובכלי שני לא בשלה א"ל אביי תני רבי חייא מלח אינה כתבלין דבכלי שני נמי בשלה ופליגא דרב נחמן דאמר רב נחמן צריכא מילחא בישולא כבשרא דתורא
4 <b><i>MISHNAH</i></b>. ONE MAY NOT PLACE A VESSEL UNDER A LAMP TO CATCH THE OIL.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' On the Sabbath. Rashi offers two reasons: (i) The oil, having been set apart for fuel, is mukzeh, i.e., it must not be used in any other manner, nor may it be handled, and this Tanna holds that a utensil can be moved only for the sake of an object which may itself be handled. (ii) At present the vessel may be handled for a number of purposes. Once oil drops into it, it may not be moved, because the oil is mukzeh, and in the opinion of this Tanna one may not cause a vessel to become immovable, for it is as though he joins it to the lamp on the Sabbath. ');"><sup>7</sup></span> BUT IF IT IS PLACED THERE BEFORE SUNSET,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lit.,'while it is yet day.' ');"><sup>8</sup></span>
ה ואיכא דאמרי סבר רב יוסף למימר מלח הרי הוא כתבלין דבכלי ראשון בשלה בכלי שני לא בשלה א"ל אביי תני ר' חייא מלח אינה כתבלין דבכלי ראשון נמי לא בשלה והיינו דאמר רב נחמן צריכא מילחא בישולא כבישרא דתורא:
5 IT IS PERMITTED. YET ONE MAY NOT BENEFIT FROM IT,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e., use the oil which drops therein. ');"><sup>9</sup></span> BECAUSE IT IS NOT OF MUKAN.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' V.Glos. ');"><sup>10</sup></span>
ו <big><strong>מתני׳</strong></big> אין נותנין כלי תחת הנר לקבל בו את השמן ואם נתנוה מבעוד יום מותר ואין ניאותין ממנו לפי שאינו מן המוכן:
6 <b><i>GEMARA</i></b>. R. Hisda said: Though they [the Sages] ruled, A vessel may not be placed under a fowl to receive its eggs,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' When she lays them on sloping ground; the vessel is to prevent them from rolling down the incline and breaking. ');"><sup>11</sup></span> yet a vessel may be overturned upon it [the egg] that it should not be broken. Said Rabbah, What is R. Hisda's reason? — He holds that it is usual for a fowl to lay her eggs in a dung heap, but not on sloping ground; now, they [the Sages] permitted<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' To move a vessel for the sake of an object that may not be handled, as the egg in question. ');"><sup>12</sup></span>
ז <big><strong>גמ׳</strong></big> אמר רב חסדא אע"פ שאמרו אין נותנין כלי תחת תרנגולת לקבל ביצתה אבל כופה עליה כלי שלא תשבר אמר רבה מ"ט דרב חסדא קסבר תרנגולת עשויה להטיל ביצתה באשפה ואינה עשויה להטיל ביצתה במקום מדרון והצלה מצויה התירו והצלה שאינה מצויה לא התירו
7 in a common [case of] saving,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Viz., to save the eggs from being trampled upon while they lay on the dung heap. People walked over dung (manure) heaps; cf. B.K. 30a. ');"><sup>13</sup></span> but in an uncommon [case of] saving they did not permit.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Viz., to save them from rolling down the slope. ');"><sup>14</sup></span>
ח איתיבי אביי והצלה שאינה מצויה לא התירו והתניא נשברה לו חבית של טבל בראש גגו מביא כלי ומניח תחתיה בגולפי חדתי דשכיחי דפקעי
8 Abaye raised an objection: Now, did they [the Sages] not permit in an uncommon [case of] saving? Surely it was taught: If a person's barrel of <i>tebel</i><span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' V. Glos. The reference is to oil or wine. ');"><sup>15</sup></span> burst on the top of his roof, he may bring a vessel and place it beneath it.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Though tebel itself may not be handled, while such a case of saving is uncommon, as it is rare for a barrel to burst. The same assumption is made in the other attempted refutations, that the savings permitted are in an uncommon case. ');"><sup>16</sup></span>
ט איתיביה נותנין כלי תחת הנר לקבל ניצוצות ניצוצות נמי שכיחי
9 — The reference is to new jars, which frequently burst. He raised an objection: A vessel may be placed under a lamp to catch the sparks? — Sparks too are common.
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