Talmud Bavli
Talmud Bavli

Sukkah 12

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דבר תורה רובו ומקפיד עליו חוצץ ושאינו מקפיד עליו אינו חוצץ וגזרו על רובו שאינו מקפיד משום רובו המקפיד ועל מיעוטו המקפיד משום רובו המקפיד

From the Torah if it is majority of one's hair and he does mind it, it interposes but if he doesn't mind it does not interpose. But they decreed concerning a case where it is a majority and he doesn't mind on account of a case where it is a majority and he does mind, and [they also decreed] concerning a case where it is a minority and he does mind it on account of a case where it is a majority and he does mind.

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וליגזר נמי על מיעוטו שאינו מקפיד משום מיעוטו המקפיד אי נמי משום רובו שאינו מקפיד

Let us also decree concerning a case where it is not a majority and he doesn't mind on account of a case where it is not a majority and he does mind, or on account of a case where it is a majority and he doesn't mind.

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היא גופא גזירה ואנן ניקום ונגזר גזירה לגזירה

This ruling itself is only a rabbinic decree; we come and institute a decree lest someone transgress another thing which is only a decree?

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מחיצין הא דאמרן הניחא לרבי יהודה אלא לר"מ מאי איכא למימר

[As for the laws of] partitions, these are those referred to above. That works according to R. Judah, but according to R. Meir what can one say?

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כי אתאי הלכתא לגוד ולבוד ודופן עקומה:

The tradition refers to [the legal fictions] of extension, lavud, and the curved wall.

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ושאין לה שלש דפנות:

Or a sukkah which does not have three walls.

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תנו רבנן שתים כהלכתן ושלישית אפילו טפח ר"ש אומר שלש כהלכתן ורביעית אפילו טפח

Our rabbis taught: Two [walls] must be of the prescribed dimensions, and the third [may be] even one handbreadth. Rabbi Shimon says: Three walls must be of the prescribed dimensions, and the fourth [may be] even one handbreadth

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במאי קמיפלגי רבנן סברי יש אם למסורת ור' שמעון סבר יש אם למקרא

What principle are they arguing about?... The rabbis hold that the traditional Scriptural text is authoritative, while R. Shimon holds that the traditional reading is authoritative.

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רבנן סברי יש אם למסורת (ויקרא כג, מב) בסכת בסכת בסכות הרי כאן ארבע

‘The rabbis hold that the traditional Scriptural text is authoritative’, and the word Sukkoth occurs twice defectively and once with the full spelling, making four references. Deduct one for the law itself, and three remain;

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דל חד לגופיה פשו להו תלתא שתים כהלכתן ואתאי הלכתא וגרעתה לשלישית ואוקמה אטפח

two [walls at least] must be of the prescribed dimensions, and tradition came and diminished [the prescribed minimum of] the third, reducing it to only one handbreadth.

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ר' שמעון סבר יש אם למקרא בסכות בסכות בסכות הרי כאן שש דל חד קרא לגופיה פשו להו ארבע שלש כהלכתן אתאי הלכתא וגרעתה לרביעית ואוקמתה אטפח

R. Shimon holds that the traditional reading is authoritative’. The word Sukkoth is read three times, which equals six [references]. Deduct one Scriptural reference for the law itself and four remain; three walls at least of prescribed dimensions, and tradition came and diminished the [prescribed minimum of the] fourth and reduced it to a handbreadth.

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ואי בעית אימא דכולי עלמא יש אם למקרא והכא בהא קמיפלגי מר סבר סככה בעיא קרא ומר סבר סככה לא בעיא קרא

And if you wish you can say that they all agree that the traditional reading is authoritative but they differ on this; .one Master holds that. the skhakh needs a Scriptural reference, while the other Master holds that it does not.

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ואיבעית אימא דכולי עלמא יש אם למסורת והכא בהא קמיפלגי מ"ס כי אתאי הלכתא לגרע ומ"ס כי אתאי הלכתא להוסיף

And if you wish you can say hat they are unanimous that the traditional Scriptural text is authoritative, but they differ on this principle; one Master holds that the tradition comes to diminish while the other holds that tradition comes and adds to it.

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ואיבעית אימא דכולי עלמא כי אתאי הלכתא לגרע ויש אם למסורת והכא בדורשין תחילות קמיפלגי מ"ס דורשין תחילות ומ"ס אין דורשין תחילות

And if you wish you can say that both agree that tradition comes to diminish and that the traditional Scriptural text is authoritative, but they differ as to whether one uses first [references] for exegesis: one Master holds that we do expound upon first references, and the other Master holds that we do not.

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רב מתנה אמר טעמיה דר"ש מהכא (ישעיהו ד, ו) וסוכה תהיה לצל יומם מחורב ולמחסה ולמסתור מזרם וממטר

R. Matanah said: The reason of R. Shimon is a derivationfrom the following verse: "And there shall be a Sukkah for shade during the day from the heat, and for a refuge and for a cover from storm and from rain" (Isaiah 4:6).

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ואותו טפח היכן מעמידו אמר רב מעמידו כנגד היוצא

.This handbreadth [of a wall] where does he place it? Rav said: He places it opposite the departing wall.

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אמרי ליה רב כהנא ורב אסי לרב

R. Kahana and R. Assi said to Rav:

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