Temurah 15

Chapter 15

א איתיביה בבכור נאמר לא תפדה ונמכר הוא במאי עסקינן אילימא בזמן הזה אימא סיפא (במדבר יח, יז) ואת דמם תזרוק על המזבח בזמן הזה מי איכא מזבח אלא פשיטא בזמן שבית המקדש קיים
1 He raised [a further] objection: With reference to a firstling it is said: Thou shalt not redeem<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Num. XVIII, 17; that the redemption money should become holy and the firstling become hullin.');"><sup>1</sup></span> implying but it may be sold.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' And it is eaten in a sacred condition, i.e., must not be killed to be sold in a market or weighed by the pound; v. supra 5b, B.K. 13a, Bek. 32a.');"><sup>2</sup></span> Now with what case are we dealing? Shall I say that [the Baraitha] refers to nowadays? Read the second part [of the text]: Thou shalt sprinkle their blood upon the altar!<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Num. XVIII, 17.');"><sup>3</sup></span>
ב ובמאי אילימא בבעל מום אימא סיפא ואת דמם תזרוק על המזבח ואת חלבם תקטיר מי חזי להקרבה אלא לאו בתם וקתני נמכר הוא (אלמא אית להו לכהן זכייה בגויה)
2 Now is there in existence an altar nowadays [for sacrifice]? Then obviously [it] refers to Temple times. Of what then does it speak?
ג מידי איריא רישא בבעל מום סיפא בתם
3 Shall I say of a blemished firstling? Read the second part [of the text]: Thou shalt sprinkle their blood upon the altar and shalt burn their fat.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Num. XVIII, 17.');"><sup>3</sup></span>
ד מתיב רב משרשיא כהנת שנתערבה ולדה בולד שפחתה הגדילו התערובות משחררין זה את זה ושניהם אוכלין בתרומה וחולקין חלק אחד על הגורן בכורן ירעו עד שיסתאבו ויאכלו במומן
4 Now if we are dealing with a blemished firstling, is it fit for sacrifice? Then we must be dealing with an unblemished firstling, and it says, 'but it may be sold'!<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' We therefore see that an unblemished firstling in Temple times may be sold, contrary to the opinion of R. Nahman.');"><sup>4</sup></span> - But is this an argument?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' That the two parts of the text must necessarily deal with an unblemished firstling.');"><sup>5</sup></span>
ה במאי עסקינן אילימא בזמן הזה מאי שנא דידן ומאי שנא דידהו דידן נמי מומין בעינן אלא לאו בזמן שבית המקדש קיים אי אמרת בשלמא אית להו לכהן זכייה בגוויה שפיר אלא אי אמרת לית ליה ליתי גזבר ולישקלא
5 The first part [of the text]<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' 'Thou shalt not redeem'.');"><sup>6</sup></span> refers to a blemished [animal]<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' And we may therefore deduce therefrom that a firstling may be sold.');"><sup>7</sup></span> and the latter part of the text<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' 'Thou shalt sprinkle etc.'.');"><sup>8</sup></span> refers to an unblemished [firstling]! R'Mesharsheya raised an objection: If the child of a priestess became mixed up with a child of her slave,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' And it is not known which is the child of the priestess and which is the child of her slave.');"><sup>9</sup></span>
ו לעולם בזמן הזה ודקא קשיא לך מאי שנא דידן ומאי שנא דידהו אנן יהבינן ליה לכהן במומייהו אינהו כיון דאיכא בהו מקצת כהן מפקע ליה לכהנים
6 when the children grow up they free one another;<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Each one writes: 'If I am the master and you are the slave: Behold you are a free man', and both may marry a daughter of an Israelite.');"><sup>10</sup></span> both may eat terumah;<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' So long as they had not freed one another, for in any case each can say: 'If I am a priest then I eat terumah in my own right, and if I am a slave, then give me terumah as the slave of a priest', for the slave of a priest is permitted to partake of terumah.');"><sup>11</sup></span> they take their share simultaneously at the threshing floor;<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' When they are both together they are given terumah, but one of them by himself does not receive terumah without the other present, in case the recipient is the slave, and this Tanna holds that we do not give terumah to the slave of a priest unless the master be present, for fear lest the slave might eventually claim a higher pedigree for himself, i.e., that of being a priest.');"><sup>12</sup></span>
ז ל"א בזמן הזה מאי איריא בכורות דהלין ספיקות אפילו דידן נמי ירעו אלא פשיטא בזמן שבית המקדש קיים ואי בבעל מום ירעו עד שיסתאבו הא מסואבין וקיימין אלא פשיטא בתמין (והכי הוא דלא מזבני) ודאי
7 their firstling<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Animal born in the pen of the mixed-up offspring.');"><sup>13</sup></span> is left to pasture until blemished<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' And are rendered unfit for sacrifice.');"><sup>14</sup></span> and it is eaten blemished by their owners. Now with what case<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Of their firstling required to pasture until blemished.');"><sup>15</sup></span> are we here dealing?
ח לעולם בזמן הזה מאי קשיא לך אפי' דילן נמי ירעו לא מצינו מדחית ליה לכהן דלא אית כאן ספק כהונה הני ספיקות מדחו לכהן כל חד וחד א"ל לכהן דאנא כהן ואנא כהן
8 Shall I say that we are dealing with a firstling of nowadays? For then what is the difference between [a firstling] belonging to ourselves<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' To persons who are certainly priests.');"><sup>16</sup></span> and [a firstling] belonging to them,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' To the mixed-up offspring, as mentioned in the Bariatha above.');"><sup>17</sup></span>
ט מיתיבי ר"ש אומר (דברים יג, טז) בהמתה פרט לבהמת בכור ומעשר שבה שללה פרט לכסף מעשר שני שבה
9 since [a firstling] belonging to ourselves also requires a blemish to be eaten?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' For even in our case, even a person who is certainly a priest cannot eat a firstling nowadays unless it is blemished.');"><sup>18</sup></span> Then you must admit that we are dealing with a firstling in Temple times.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' A firstling therefore which belongs to us, i.e., to a genuine priest, is given to the priest for sacrifice, whereas theirs i.e., a firstling belonging to the mixed-up offspring must pasture until blemished. For although even a priest is required to carry out the law of a firstling, here the firstling must be left to pasture, because in the case of any other priest who set aside a firstling, there is no loss, as he himself offers it up and eats the flesh, but in the case mentioned by the Baraitha above, if the firstling is offered up, then no-one can eat it, since one of the offspring is not a priest but a slave and only a priest can eat a firstling unblemished in Temple times. Therefore the Baraitha above says a firstling must be left to pasture until blemished, for each one can say to the priest who claims, 'I am a priest and shall eat the firstling'.');"><sup>19</sup></span>
י במאי עסקינן אילימא בזמן הזה מי איכא עיר הנדחת והתנן אין עושין עיר הנדחת אלא בב"ד של שבעים ואחד אלא פשיטא בזמן שבית המקדש קיים
10 Now if you say that the priest has a claim on a firstling [alive],<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e., that he may sell it alive in its unblemished state even in Temple times.');"><sup>20</sup></span> there will be no difficulty.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Therefore he can retain the firstling, saying, 'perhaps I am a priest and I have therefore a prior claim, and do not wish to give it to another priest, but shall wait till I am able to eat it'.');"><sup>21</sup></span> But if you say that he has no claim on a firstling alive, then let the Temple treasurer come and take it?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' And give it to a genuine priest, since the priest has no claim on the firstling till it is brought to the altar. This shows that even in Temple times the priest has a claim on the unblemished firstling, for we are undoubtedly dealing here with an unblemished animal, since the Baraitha says it is left to pasture, etc., which contradicts R. Abbuha.');"><sup>22</sup></span> - One can still say that we are dealing with a firstling of nowadays.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' And therefore the firstling is left to pasture, for it is unfit for sacrifice and the priest has a claim upon it while it is alive.');"><sup>23</sup></span> And as regards the difficulty you raise as to why [a firstling] belonging to ourselves is different from [a firstling] belonging to them, [the answer is] we give ours to the priest in its blemished condition,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' For although blemished and permissible to be eaten by non-priests, it must be given to the priests, otherwise it would be stealing the priestly due.');"><sup>24</sup></span>
יא ובמאי אי נימא בבעל מום היינו בהמתה אלא פשיטא בתם ואי אמרת בשלמא אית ליה זכייה בגוויה שפיר אלא אי אמרת לית ליה למה לי מבהמה תיפוק ליה משללה ולא שלל שמים
11 but with [a firstling] belonging to them, since there is an element of priesthood,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' In the case mentioned in the Baraitha above, where one of them is certainly a priest.');"><sup>25</sup></span> priests are excluded from claiming [this firstling].<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' And it is not stealing what is due to the priest, for each one of the mixed-up persons can claim, 'I am a priest' and since there is a doubt concerning money, the claimant must bring the necessary evidence to prove his case.');"><sup>26</sup></span> Another version: [Now if we are dealing with a firstling of] nowadays, why mention firstlings belonging [to persons] of uncertain priesthood?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' As in the case in the Baraitha above, where there was a mixing-up between the offspring of a priestess and her slave.');"><sup>27</sup></span> Even firstlings belonging to ourselves also are left to pasture [until blemished]?
יב לעולם בבעל מום ודקא קשיא לך היינו בהמתה מי שנאכל בתורת בהמתה יצאו בכור ומעשר שאינו בכלל בהמתה
12 Then obviously we are dealing with a firstling of Temple times. Now if we are referring to a blemished firstling, why do we say, let them be left to pasture until blemished?
יג דתנן כל פסולי המוקדשין נמכרין באיטליז (ונשחטין באיטליז) ונשקלין בליטרא חוץ מן הבכור ומן המעשר שהנאתן לבעלים
13 Are they not already blemished?
יד מיתיבי (ויקרא ה, כא) ומעלה מעל בה' לרבות קדשים קלים שהן ממון בעלים דברי רבי יוסי הגלילי
14 Then obviously we are dealing with unblemished firstlings; and only these<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Persons of uncertain priesthood, as mentioned in the Baraitha above.');"><sup>28</sup></span> may not sell;<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The firstling.');"><sup>29</sup></span>
טו בן עזאי אומר לרבות שלמים אבא יוסי בן דוסאי אומר לא אמר בן עזאי אלא בבכור בלבד
15 [but persons who are certainly priests may sell]?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' We therefore see that a priest may sell an unblemished firstling alive in Temple times, contrary to the opinion of R. Nahman in the name of R. Abbuha above.');"><sup>30</sup></span> - It may still be that we are dealing with firstlings of nowadays. What is your difficulty? That even [firstlings] belonging to ourselves should also be left to pasture! [The answer is:] We cannot disregard the priest,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' We have no option but to surrender a Firstling even blemished, otherwise it would be robbing the priestly due.');"><sup>31</sup></span>
טז במאי עסקינן אילימא בזמן הזה הא דומיא דשלמים קתני אלא פשיטא בזמן שבית המקדש קיים
16 for there exists no uncertainty of the priesthood, but these persons of uncertain [priesthood] can put off the priest, each one saying to the priest.' I am a priest', 'I am a priest'.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' And therefore they retain the firstling.');"><sup>32</sup></span>
יז ובמאי עסקינן אילימא בבעל מום הא דומיא דשלמים קתני אלא לאו בתם וש"מ אית ליה לכהן זכייה בגוויה
17 An objection was raised. R'Simeon said: [Scripture says:] And the cattle thereof.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Deut. XIII, 16; in connection with an apostate city which is totally destroyed on account of its inhabitants worshipping idols.');"><sup>33</sup></span> This excludes a firstling animal and an animal tithed<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The text 'And the cattle etc.' implies that one's own cattle is destroyed where there is no part which belongs to heaven (the Sanctuary) , unlike the case of a firstling and tithes.');"><sup>34</sup></span> in it [the city].' The spoil of it'; this excludes the money of the second tithes.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' This will represent the view of the teacher who maintains that the second tithe is money which belongs to heaven; v. Sanh. 112b.');"><sup>35</sup></span> Now with what case are we dealing? Shall I say that we are dealing with nowadays? For is the law of an apostate city in force [nowadays]? Have we not learnt: We do not practise the law of an apostate city except where there is in existence a Beth din of seventy-one?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' And as there is no Beth din of such a character in existence to-day, the law of an apostate city is inoperative.');"><sup>36</sup></span> Then obviously we are dealing with Temple times. And in what condition [was the firstling]?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Or the tithed animal.');"><sup>37</sup></span> If it was blemished, is this not the same as the text, 'The cattl thereof'?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Where the animal belongs entirely to a person and heaven has no share in it. Here, too, where a priest eats the firstling and an Israelite his tithe, there is no element which belongs to heaven.');"><sup>38</sup></span> Then obviously we are dealing with an unblemished firstling. Now there will be no difficulty if you say that the priest has a claim on the firstling alive.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Therefore the exclusion of a firstling is derived from the text 'The cattle thereof' and not from the text 'The spoil of it', since it is not altogether the spoil of heaven, as the priest has a claim upon it.');"><sup>39</sup></span> But if you say the priest has no claim on a firstlin alive, what need is there for the text 'The cattle thereof'?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' To exclude the case of a firstling and tithes from the law of an apostate city.');"><sup>40</sup></span> Why not derive this from the text, 'The spoil of it' from which we can deduce, But not the spoil of heaven?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Since therefore we exclude the case of a firstling and an animal tithed from the text 'The cattle thereof', this proves that the priest has a claim on the firstling. This will therefore raise a difficulty for the ruling of R. Nahman in the name of R. Abbuha, for we see here that an unblemished firstling may be sold in Temple times.');"><sup>41</sup></span> - One can still maintain that we are dealing with a blemished animal,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' In which there is no share for heaven and which therefore should be burnt in fire.');"><sup>42</sup></span> and as regards the difficulty you raise that this is the case covered by the text, 'The cattle thereof',<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Why therefore do we exclude the case of a firstling and an animal tithed?');"><sup>43</sup></span> [the answer is] this implies, Whatever is eaten in the manner of 'The cattle thereof',<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Where the animal belongs entirely to the owner.');"><sup>44</sup></span> excluding the cases of the firstling and animals tithed, for they are not covered by the words, The cattle thereof'. For we have learnt in a Mishnah: All dedications rendered unfit for sacrifice may be sold in the market and by the pound,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' In order to fetch more money and we do not consider this degrading holy things.');"><sup>45</sup></span> with the exception of a firstling and an animal tithed, for their benefit belongs the owners.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Therefore for the extra benefit in favour of the owners, we do not allow selling in the market and by the pound of a firstling, v. Bek. 32a, Bez. 28a. Hence a firstling and tithed animal are spared in an apostate city.');"><sup>46</sup></span> An objection was raised. [Scripture says:] And committed a trespass against the Lord.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lev. V, 21.');"><sup>47</sup></span> This includes sacrifices of minor grades of holiness,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' That if one deposited dedications of a minor grade of holiness with his neighbour, and the latter denied the deposit, took a false oath and subsequently confessed, he has to pay the principal plus a fifth as a fine, also to bring an offering on account of the false oath.');"><sup>48</sup></span> which are considered the money of the owners.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' And we can therefore apply the text mentioned in this connection: 'And lie unto his neighbour'.');"><sup>49</sup></span> These are the words of R'Jose the Galilean. Ben Azzai says: [This text comes] to include peace-offerings.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Which are certainly considered his money, but the case is not the same with regard to an animal tithed, for one cannot sell it either alive, slaughtered, unblemished or blemished.');"><sup>50</sup></span> Abba Jose the son of Dosai says: R'Jose the Galilean only refers to a firstling.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Where a priest deposited his firstling with another, the latter denying the deposit, taking an oath and then confessing. He pays the principal together with the fine of a fifth and brings a trespass-offering, the reason being because a priest can sell a firstling alive unblemished and it is therefore considered his money (R. Gershom) .');"><sup>51</sup></span> Now what period are we dealing with? Shall I say that of nowadays? Surely the case [of the firstling referred to by Abba Jose] is compared with peace-offerings?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' And the peace-offering cannot be brought nowadays.');"><sup>52</sup></span> Then obviously we are dealing with Temple times. Now what are the circumstances? Shall I say that we are dealing with a case of a blemished firstling? Surely the case [of a firstling referred t by Abba Jose] is compared with peace-offerings?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' For as regards a firstling and a priest, we can make a distinction between an unblemished and a blemished animal, as in the former case one might say that the priest has no claim on it until the time of offering it up on the altar, whereas in the latter case the priest might claim it immediately, as the animal is unfit for sacrifice. But with reference to a peace-offering, one cannot say that the owner has a claim on the animal from the time of its burning and therefore there is no distinction between an unblemished and a blemished peace-offering, in each case the owner having a claim on it alive.');"><sup>53</sup></span> Then you must say that you are dealing with the case of an unblemished firstling.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' And we impose a trespass-offering for one who denied a deposit of the firstling with a false oath. We see therefore that it is regarded as the priest's money.');"><sup>54</sup></span> Deduce therefore from here that a priest has a claim on a firstling [alive].<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' And therefore we can apply the text, 'And lie unto his neighbour', the firstling being considered his own money. Hence we see that an unblemished live firstling may be sold in Temple times, contrary to the opinion of R. Abbuha reported by R. Nahman above.');"><sup>55</sup></span>