Temurah 32

Chapter 32

א וכי דנין אפשר משאי אפשר (ר' שמעון בחד מקום גמיר להו)
1 But can we form an analogy between a case where there is an alternative and a case where there is none?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The reason why in the three first cases the sinofferings are not left to die in the case of a congregation is because there cannot be an offering in such circumstances, for they can never occur in connection with a congregation. There is therefore no alternative, whereas in the other two cases the offering can be brought both by an individual and a congregation.');"><sup>1</sup></span> - Said Resh Lakish: Four sin-offerings were specified to the Israelites [on Sinai to be left to die]<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The fifth was to be left to pasture.');"><sup>2</sup></span>
ב אמר ר"ל ארבעה נתנו להן והעמידום על חמש ואי ס"ד בצבור הנך מי איתנהו בצבור אלא על כרחיך ילמד סתום ממפורש
2 and the rule was extended to five.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Because they forgot during the period of mourning for Moses which one was to be left to pasture.');"><sup>3</sup></span> Now if you suppose that these were congregational sin-offerings, are three of them<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' For the cases of a sin-offering being left to die apply either all to a congregation or all to an individual.');"><sup>4</sup></span> ever brought by a congregation?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Viz., an offspring of a dedicated animal, a substitute of a sin-offering, and a sin-offering whose owners died.');"><sup>5</sup></span> Then you must admit that we form an analogy between the cases not explicitly stated and those explicitly stated.
ג ר' נתן אומר אחת נתנה להן והעמידוה על חמש
3 R'Nathan says: Only one sin-offering was specified to the [Israelites on Mount Sinai]<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' To be left to die, and the other four cases of sin-offerings were only to be left to pasture. It was, however, forgotten which were meant to die and which to pasture.');"><sup>6</sup></span> and the rule was extended to all the five sin-offerings.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e., all five were to be left to die.');"><sup>7</sup></span>
ד וליחזי בהי סידרא גמירי להו אי ביחיד אי בצבור
4 But<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Before R. Nathan can complete his observation, he is interrupted with a question why it was necessary to condemn the four to die out of doubt.');"><sup>8</sup></span>
ה שתי שכחיות שכחו וקשיא להו
5 [if that is so] let us see in what class they learnt it,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Viz., the sin-offering which was to be left to die.');"><sup>9</sup></span>
ו ואי ס"ד בצבור הנך מי איתנהו בצבור אלא ש"מ ילמד סתום ממפורש מה מפורש ביחיד ולא בצבור אף סתום ביחיד ולא בצבור
6 whether in that of the sin-offerings of an individual or of a congregation?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Let us see to what class this sin-offering which was to be left to die was remembered as belonging. If it was remembered as being the sin-offering both of a congregation and an individual, then let us say that a sin-offering whose owners procured atonement and a sin-offering whose year is passed are left to die because of doubt, whereas in the other three cases, which are entirely different, as they could not occur in connection with a congregation, there could be no doubt that there is no death for the sin-offerings. And if the case of a sin-offering being left to die was remembered only in connection with the offering of an individual, then let us say that these three sin-offerings, substitute and offspring of a dedicated animal etc., since they can be brought only by an individual, are left to die, but about the other two sin-offerings there can be no doubt, for they are entirely different (Rashi) .');"><sup>10</sup></span> - There were two forgettings.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The class in which the sin-offering that was to die was placed at Sinai (viz., congregational or individual) and also which of the five sin-offerings was to die.');"><sup>11</sup></span>
ז <big><strong>מתני׳</strong></big> חומר בקדשים מבתמורה וחומר בתמורה מבקדשים חומר בקדשים מבתמורה שהקדשים עושין תמורה ואין תמורה עושה תמורה הצבור והשותפין מקדישין אבל לא ממירין ומקדישין עוברין ואברים אבל לא ממירין
7 And consequently they<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Those who lived in the days of Joshua and forgot those laws regarding sin-offerings.');"><sup>12</sup></span> were in a difficulty. If<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' R. Nathan now continues to explain R. Simeon's teaching in the MISHNAH:');"><sup>13</sup></span> you should think that the rule<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Of the sin-offering left to die.');"><sup>14</sup></span> applies to the sin-offering of a congregation, can these<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The four sin-offerings which are left to pasture.');"><sup>15</sup></span>
ח חומר בתמורה מבקדשים שהקדושה חלה על בעלת מום קבוע ואין יוצא לחולין
8 be brought by a congregation?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' For this can never happen. Since therefore it is remembered that there were five sin-offerings which were either to be left to pasture or die, they were stated as regards an individual, in which circumstances all the five sin-offerings can occur.');"><sup>16</sup></span> Then it is proved from here that we form an analogy between the cases not explicitly stated<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' A sin-offering whose owners procured atonement and whose year had passed.');"><sup>17</sup></span> and the cases explicitly stated: Just as in the cases explicitly stated the sin-offering is brought by an individual and not by a congregation, so in the cases not explicitly stated the sin-offering is brought by an individual and not by a congregation.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' This then is the reason for R. Simeon's opinion. The Rabbis however hold that four cases of sin-offerings were imparted from Sinai to be left to die. Therefore wherever we find that a sin-offering applies to an individual and a congregation, then it applies, and where not, it does not apply.');"><sup>18</sup></span> <big><b>MISHNAH: </b></big>IN SOME WAYS [THE LAW RELATING TO] DEDICATIONS CARRIES GREATER WEIGHT THAN [THAT RELATING TO] EXCHANGE, AND IN SOME WAYS [THAT RELATING TO] EXCHANGE CARRIES GREATER WEIGHT THAN [THAT RELATING TO] DEDICATIONS. IN SOME WAYS [THE LAW RELATING TO] DEDICATIONS CARRIES GREATER WEIGHT THAN [THAT RELATING TO] EXCHANGE, FOR DEDICATED ANIMALS CAN EFFECT EXCHANGE WHEREAS ONE SUBSTITUTED CANNOT EFFECT EXCHANGE.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' So that if one says concerning an animal consecrated through being a substitute that it should in turn confer holiness on another animal by means of exchange, a further exchange does not take place.');"><sup>19</sup></span> A CONGREGATION OR PARTNERS CAN DEDICATE BUT CANNOT EFFECT EXCHANGE. WE CAN DEDICATE EMBRYOS AND LIMBS,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' This is the view of R. Judah (supra 10a) .');"><sup>20</sup></span> BUT WE CANNOT EFFECT EXCHANGE WITH THEM. [THE LAW RELATING TO] EXCHANGE CARRIES GREATER WEIGHT THAN [THAT RELATING TO] DEDICATIONS, SINCE EXCHANGE<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' So with Sh. Mek.');"><sup>21</sup></span> HAS EFFECT ON A PERMANENTLY BLEMISHED ANIMAL<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' So that if one substitutes a blemished animal for an unblemished dedicated animal, holiness attaches to the former to the extent that it does not become hullin.');"><sup>22</sup></span> AND IT DOES NOT BECOME HULLIN