Talmud Bavli
Talmud Bavli

Temurah 36

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תני רבי חייא לסיועי לר' יהושע בן לוי

R'Hiyya<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Var. lec. R. Hanania. V. Sh. Mek.');"><sup>1</sup></span>

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(ויקרא ג, ז) אם כשב הוא מקריב ולד ראשון קרב ולד שני אינו קרב

taught in support of R'Joshua B'Levi: [Scripture says:] If he offer a lamb<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Keseb implying the young of the female flock mentioned in the preceding verse (Rashi) .');"><sup>2</sup></span>

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הוא קרב ואין ולד כל הקדשים קרב

for his offering,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lev. III, 7.');"><sup>3</sup></span>

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ולד דמאי

implying that the first young is offered but the second young is not offered.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Now this Baraitha must be according to the Rabbis, for according to R. Eliezer even the first young was not offered, and consequently supports the view of R. Joshua b. Levi. The prohibition here will only be of a Rabbinical character (the verse being adduced as mere mnemonic aid) , for undoubtedly not to offer the second generation of offspring can only be a Rabbinical enactment, in case he keeps animals in order to rear herds (Tosaf.) .');"><sup>4</sup></span>

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אי דעולה ואשם זכרים הם ולא בני ולד הם אי דחטאת הילכתא גמירי לה דלמיתה אזלא אמר רבינא

It [a young of a peace-offering] is offered,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' For the text referred to a peace-offering.');"><sup>5</sup></span>

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לאיתויי ולד המעושרת

but not the young of any other dedication.

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ולד המעושרת למה לי קרא עברה עברה מבכור קא גמר לה

Now what young of [other] dedications [is excluded from being offered]?

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אצטריך ס"ד אמינא

If of a burnt-offering and a guilt-offering, are they not male animals and not such as give birth to young?

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אין דנין אפשר משאי אפשר קמ"ל

If of a sin-offering, is there not a traditional law that it is left to die?

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העיד ר"ש ור' פפייס כו'

Said Rabina: [ exclusion refers to a] young [of a female animal] which came forth the tenth.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Then tithed.');"><sup>6</sup></span>

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ולרבא דאמר

What need is there for a text regarding the case of a young of an animal which came forth the tenth?

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קדשים כיון שעבר עליהם רגל אחד כל יום ויום עובר עליהם בבל תאחר מעצרת בעי מיכליה

Is this not derived from an analogy between 'passing' used in connection with tithe<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Whatsoever passeth under the rod (Ibid. XXVII, 32) .');"><sup>7</sup></span>

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אמר רב זביד משמיה דרבא

and 'passing'<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' And thou shalt set apart (Ex. XIII, 12) .');"><sup>8</sup></span>

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כגון שהיה חולה בעצרת

used in connection with a firstling?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' And in connection with a firstling no young is offered, as a firstling is a male animal.');"><sup>9</sup></span>

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רב אשי אמר

- The text<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lev. III, 7.');"><sup>10</sup></span>

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מאי חג נמי דקתני חג שבועות

is necessary.

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ואידך כל היכי דקתני פסח תני עצרת

You might be inclined to assume that we cannot form an analogy between a case where there is an alternative and one where there is none.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' As is the case with a firstling which is restricted to males, for it is not possible to have a young of a firstling.');"><sup>11</sup></span>

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אי הכי מאי אסהדותיה

[The text, therefore] informs us that this is not so.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' That we do draw the analogy between tithe and firstling.');"><sup>12</sup></span>

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לאפוקי מדר"א דאמר

R'JOSHUA AND R'PAPIAS TESTIFIED etc. And according to Raba who holds that after the lapse of one Festival one is guilty of the breaking of a positive command<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The text: And thither thou shalt come and thither ye shall bring your burnt-offerings (Deut. XII, 5 and 6) , implying that one must bring one's offering on the very first Festival after its dedication; v. R.H. 6a.');"><sup>13</sup></span>

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ולד שלמים לא יקרב שלמים קמסהיד הוא דקרב:

daily in not offering dedications, why was not the animal eaten on 'Azereth?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Pentecost, lit., 'the closing (festival) ', Pentecost being regarded as the closing festival to Passover. On Passover itself it could not have been offered and eaten because as it was born on Passover possibly the necessary period of seven days had not elapsed before it could be eaten.');"><sup>14</sup></span>

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<big><strong>מתני׳</strong></big> ולד תודה ותמורתה ולדן ולד ולדן עד סוף כל הדורות הרי אלו כתודה ובלבד שאין טעונין לחם:

- Said R'Zebid in the name of Raba: We must suppose that it was ill on Pentecost.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' And therefore it was eaten on the Feast of Tabernacles.');"><sup>15</sup></span>

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<big><strong>גמ׳</strong></big>

R'Ashi says: The word hag [in the Mishnah] also means in reality the Festival of Weeks.

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מנא הני מילי

And what will the other authority [R'Zebid] say [to this]?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Why not say that hag in the Mishnah actually means the Feast of Weeks?');"><sup>16</sup></span>

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דת"ר

- Wherever the Tanna uses the term Pesach [Passover] he says 'Azereth.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' When referring to the Feast of Weeks, but does not call it hag. Since the Mishnah, however, says hag, then it must mean the Feast of Tabernacles. If, however, the Mishnah had referred to Pesach as the Hag (Feast) of Unleavened Bread, then it would have referred to 'Azereth as hag (Rashi) .');"><sup>17</sup></span>

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מהו אומר (ויקרא ז, יב) יקריבנו

If so,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' That hag means the Feast of Weeks or that it was ill and could not be brought as a sacrifice on the Feast of Weeks but that in reality the right period of bringing the offering was on the Feast of Weeks.');"><sup>18</sup></span>

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מפריש תודה ואבדה והפריש אחרת תחתיה ונמצאת הראשונה והרי שתיהן עומדות מנין שאיזו שירצה יקריב ולחמה עמה

then what is the point of the testimony [of R'Joshua]?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' If hag means the Feast of Tabernacles and it was not sick on the Feast of Weeks, the testimony of R. Papias teaches us something fresh, namely, it excludes Raba's teaching above. But if as you explain, the word hag actually means Pentecost or the reason why the young was brought and eaten on the Feast of Tabernacles was because it was sick and it could not be offered on the Feast of Weeks, what new point does he inform us?');"><sup>19</sup></span>

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ת"ל

- It is to exclude the teaching of R'Eliezer who holds that the young of a peace-offering is not offered as a peace-offering.

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תודה יקריב

Consequently he testifies that it is offered.

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יכול תהא שניה טעונה לחם

<big><b>MISHNAH: </b></big>THE YOUNG OF A THANKSGIVING OFFERING AND ITS EXCHANGE, THEIR YOUNG AND THE YOUNG OF THEIR YOUNG, UNTIL THE END OF ALL TIME, ARE CONSIDERED AS THANKSGIVING OFFERINGS,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The limbs etc. are burnt on the altar and the flesh is eaten for a day and a night.');"><sup>20</sup></span>

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ת"ל יקריבנו אחת ולא שתים

ONLY THEY DO NOT REQUIRE THE ACCOMPANIMENT OF LOAVES OF BREAD.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' As mentioned in Lev. VII, 12 and 13.');"><sup>21</sup></span>

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מנין לרבות ולדות תמורות וחליפות

<big><b>GEMARA: </b></big>Whence is this proved?

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ת"ל

Our Rabbis have taught: Why does it say: If he offer it for a thanksgiving?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Ibid. VII, 12. V. Sh. Mek. For Scripture could have said: If it be for a thanksgiving, ye shall offer etc. (R. Gershom) .');"><sup>22</sup></span>

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ואם על תודה

[Whence do we infer]<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Inserted with Sh. Mek.');"><sup>23</sup></span>

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יכול יהו כולן טעונות לחם

that if one set aside a thanksgiving offering and it became lost and he separated another in its place, and the first was then found, and both [animals] are standing [before us], he can offer whichever he wishes and bring its bread?

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ת"ל

The text states: If for a thanksgiving he shall offer.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' In any case, even a second animal is permitted to be offered up as a thanksgiving.');"><sup>24</sup></span>

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על זבח התודה תודה טעונה לחם ולא ולדה ותמורתה וחליפתה טעונה לחם:

One might think that the second animal requires the accompaniment of bread?

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<big><strong>מתני׳</strong></big>

The text, however, states: 'If he offer it', [the word 'it' implying that he brings] one [animal with the loaves of bread] but not two.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The restriction, however, only refers to bread but not to the offering up of a second animal.');"><sup>25</sup></span>

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תמורת עולה ולד תמורה ולד ולד ולדה עד סוף כל העולם הרי אלו כעולה וטעונין הפשט וניתוח וכליל לאשים

Whence do we include [for offering] the case of the young [of a thanksgiving offering], exchanges and substitutions?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Where the thanksgiving offering became lost and he set aside another in its place. Tosaf. observes that this is exactly the case mentioned above: If one sets aside a thanksgiving offering, etc. Wilna Gaon, however, adds that substitutions are included for offering even after the sacrificing of the first animal.');"><sup>26</sup></span>

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המפריש נקבה לעולה וילדה זכר ירעה עד שיסתאב וימכר ויביא בדמיו עולה

The text states: 'If for a thanksgiving'.

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ר' אליעזר אומר

One might think that all these cases require the accompaniment [of loaves of bread]?

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הוא עצמו יקרב עולה:

The text states: With a sacrifice of thanksgiving,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Ibid.');"><sup>27</sup></span>

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<big><strong>גמ׳</strong></big> מאי שנא רישא דלא פליגי ומ"ש סיפא דפליגי

[implying that] the thanksgiving itself requires loaves of bread but its young, its exchange, and its substitution do not require the bringing of bread.

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אמר רבה בר בר חנה

<big><b>MISHNAH: </b></big>THE EXCHANGE OF A BURNT-OFFERING,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Where e.g., he exchanged a male for a burnt-offering.');"><sup>28</sup></span>

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במחלוקת שנויה ור' אליעזר היא

THE YOUNG OF ITS EXCHANGE,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Where he exchanged a female for a burnt-offering and the exchange gave birth to a male.');"><sup>29</sup></span>

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ורבא אמר

ITS YOUNG AND THE YOUNG OF ITS YOUNG, UNTIL THE END OF TIME, ARE REGARDED As A BURNT-OFFERING: THEY REQUIRE FLAYING, CUTTING INTO PIECES AND TO BE ALTOGETHER BURNT.

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אפילו תימא רבנן ע"כ לא פליגי עליה דר' אליעזר אלא גבי מפריש נקבה לעולה דאימיה לא קריבה אבל תמורה דאימיה נמי קריבה אפילו רבנן מודו

IF ONE SET ASIDE A FEMALE ANIMAL FOR A BURNT-OFFERING AND IT GAVE BIRTH TO A MALE, IT IS TO PASTURE UNTIL IT BECOMES UNFIT FOR SACRIFICE.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The reason why it is left to pasture is because the young's holiness came by virtue of the mother which is a female animal, a kind which is not fit for a burnt-offering. The mother herself being a female is certainly condemned to pasture.');"><sup>30</sup></span>

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ומי אמר רבי אליעזר יקרב עולה הוא עצמו

IT IS THEN SOLD AND FOR ITS MONEY HE BRINGS A BURNT-OFFERING.

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ורמינהו

R'ELIEZER<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Var. lec. R. Eleazar, and so throughout.');"><sup>31</sup></span>

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תמורת אשם ולד תמורה ולדן ולד ולדן עד סוף כל העולם ירעו עד שיסתאבו וימכר ויפלו דמיו לנדבה

HOWEVER, SAYS: THE [MALE] ANIMAL ITSELF IS OFFERED<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' And is not left to pasture.');"><sup>32</sup></span>

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רבי אלעזר אומר

AS A BURNT-OFFERING.

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ימותו

<big><b>GEMARA: </b></big>Why is it that in the first clause<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' In the case of the young of the exchange of a burnt-offering.');"><sup>33</sup></span>

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ר"א אומר

[in our Mishnah above] the Rabbis do not differ,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' But agree that these cases are to be considered as burnt-offerings.');"><sup>34</sup></span>

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יביא בדמיהן עולה

whereas in the latter clause<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Where one separates a female animal for a burnt-offering and it gave birth to a male.');"><sup>35</sup></span>

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בדמים אין הוא עצמו לא

the Rabbis do differ?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The Rabbis maintaining that the animal is condemned to pasture but is not offered.');"><sup>36</sup></span>

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אמר רב חסדא

- Said Rabbah B'Bar Hana: The first clause has been taught as a disputed opinion,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' It is a fact that even in the first clause in the Mishnah above in connection with the exchange of a burnt-offering and the young of an exchange, the Rabbis differ as they do in the latter clause, and hold that these are not regarded as burnt-offerings, the view of the Mishnah being that of R. Eliezer.');"><sup>37</sup></span>

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ר"א לדבריהם דרבנן קאמר להו

being really the opinion of R'Eliezer.

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לדידי סבירא לי דאפילו ולד נמי קרבה עולה לדידכו דאמריתו רועה אודו לי מיהת דמותרות לנדבת יחיד אזלי

Raba says: You can even say that the first clause is in agreement with the Rabbis, for the Rabbis dispute with R'Eliezer<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' And say that the animal is left to pasture.');"><sup>38</sup></span>

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ואמרי ליה

only in the case of one who sets apart a female animal for a burnt-offering, since the mother is not offered [for a burnt-offering],<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Being a female. Therefore they say its young is not offered.');"><sup>39</sup></span>

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מותרות לנדבת ציבור אזלי

but in the case of [the young of an] exchange [of a burnt-offering], where the mother<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Not exactly the mother but the first dedication, the male burnt-offering, in virtue of which both the exchange and its young are holy, is offered, because it is a male animal. In the case, however, where one set aside a female animal for a burnt-offering, the first dedication was not fit for a burnt-offering.');"><sup>40</sup></span>

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רבא אמר

is offered, even the Rabbis agree.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' That it is considered a burnt-offering.');"><sup>41</sup></span>

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עד כאן לא קאמר ר' אליעזר הוא עצמו יקרב עולה אלא במפריש נקבה לעולה דאיכא שם עולה על אמו

But did R'Eliezer say [that the young of an exchange] is itself offered as a burnt-offering? Against this the following [is quoted] in contradiction: The exchange of a guilt-offering, the young of an exchange, their young and the young of their young until the end of time, are to go to pasture until they are unfit for sacrifice.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The exchange of a guilt-offering is left to pasture, for wherever a sin-offering is left to die, a guilt-offering in similar circumstances is left to pasture, the exchange of a sin-offering being one of the five sin-offerings which is condemned to die.');"><sup>42</sup></span> They are then sold and the monies are applied for freewill-[offerings].<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' To purchase offerings with the money on behalf of the congregation.');"><sup>43</sup></span> R'Eleazar<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Far. lec. R. Eliezer.');"><sup>44</sup></span> says: Let them die<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' For he holds that a guilt-offering has the same law as a sin-offering in this respect.');"><sup>45</sup></span> R'Eliezer<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Var. lec. R. Eleazar.');"><sup>46</sup></span> Says: Let him buy burnt-offerings with their money.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' As a private sacrifice, but he cannot buy guilt-offerings. The same applies in the case of the young of the exchange of a guilt-offering, the young being sold after becoming blemished and a burnt-offering being bought with the money.');"><sup>47</sup></span> Now [he] only [brings an offering] for their money, but he must not bring the animal itself<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e., the young of the exchange.');"><sup>48</sup></span> [as a burnt-offering]?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Consequently we see that R. Eliezer (or according to var. lec. R. Eleazar) holds that since the mother is unfit for a burnt-offering, being a female, the young also cannot be offered as a burnt-offering. Why then does R. Eliezer say in the Mishnah of a female animal dedicated as a burnt-offering that its young, a male, can be offered as a burnt-offering?');"><sup>49</sup></span> - Said R'Hisda: R'Eliezer was arguing with the Rabbis from their own premises [as follows]: As far as I am concerned, I hold that even the young itself [of the exchange of a guilt-offering] is also offered as a burnt-offering. But according to your teaching, when you say that [it is not offered],<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' So Sh. Mek. Cur. edd.: That it is left to pasture. Bah: That its money is applied for a burnt-offering.');"><sup>50</sup></span> at least admit that the surplus [of sacrificial appropriations]<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e., the value of the young (R. Gershom) .');"><sup>51</sup></span> are applied to freewill-offerings of an individual.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e., for a burnt-offering.');"><sup>52</sup></span> They [the Rabbis] however answer him: The surpluses are applied to freewill-offerings on behalf of the congregation.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e., one cannot buy a burnt-offering for an individual with the money.');"><sup>53</sup></span> Raba says: R'Eliezer holds that the young itself is offered for a burnt-offering only in a case where one sets aside a female animal for a burnt-offering, because the mother has the name of a burnt-offering.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' For since we find in connection with birds that a burnt-offering can also be a female, therefore although the animal set aside for a burnt-offering is a female, it retains the name of the burnt-offering. Moreover, when it is sold, a burnt-offering can be bought with the money i.e., it has the name of a burnt-offering (Rashi) .');"><sup>54</sup></span>

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