יא הא קתני אלא שבהיכל פורשין בין בשעת הקטרה ובין שלא בשעת הקטרה ומבין האולם ולמזבח אין פורשין
11 At any rate, at the time of the smoking of the incense, they do keep away.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Even from the space between the [Ulam and the altar.');"><sup>10</sup></span> Would you not say [it means] during the time of the smoking [of the incense] in the Holy of Holies?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Which refutes R. Eleazar.');"><sup>11</sup></span> - No, [the reference is to the time of smoking] in the Hekal.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' But at the time of the incense smoking in the Holy of Holies they separate only from the Hekal but not from the space between Ulam and the altar.');"><sup>12</sup></span> If so, [how explain] 'what then is the gradation between the two places' etc. ? Is the above the only difference in gradation?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lit., 'and no more'.');"><sup>13</sup></span> Is there not also this difference: that from the Hekal they keep away during the time both of the smoking of the incense in the Hekal itself, and of the smoking of the incense in the Holy of Holies, whereas from the place between Ulam and altar they keep away only during the time of the smoking of the incense in the Hekal itself? - This [exactly] is what he teaches: 'Except that from the Hekal men keep away, both during the time of the smoking of incense [in the Hekal] and outside of the time of the smoking of the incense [in the Hekal],<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e., when incense is offered in the Holy of Holies.');"><sup>14</sup></span> but from the place between Ulam and altar they keep away