Zevachim 20

I am moving in a circle.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' This way of arguing leads nowhere.');">¹</span>

R'Eliezer then drew another analogy.

In the case of a sin-offering it says, It is [a sin-offering],<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lev. IV, 24.');">²</span>

[which intimates that if it is slaughtered] for its own sake it is valid, and if it [is] not [slaughtered] for its own sake it is invalid;<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Ii is implies emphasis: it must be slaughtered as a sin-offering and nothing else.');">³</span>

[Again] in the case of a Passover-offering it says, It is [the sacrifice of the Lord's Passover],<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Ex. XII, 27.');">⁴</span>

[which likewise intimates,] for its own sake it is valid, and if not for its own sake, it is invalid; [then] in the case of a guilt-offering too it says, It is [a guilt-offering],<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lev. VII, 5.');">⁵</span>

[hence this too intimates,] for its own sake it is valid, while if not for its own sake, it is invalid.

Said R'Joshua to him: ' is stated of the sin-offering in connection with the slaughtering, [and so] 'it is' [intimates], for its own sak is valid, and if not for its own sake, it is invalid.

[Again] 'it is' is stated of the Passover-offering in conn with the sacrificing,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Likewise the slaughtering.');">⁶</span>

[and here too] 'it is' [intimates,] for its own sake it is valid, while if it is not for i sake, it is invalid.

But as for the guilt-offering.'

it is' is stated of it only after the burning of the emurim prescribed], and yet if the emurim were not burnt at all it is valid.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Obviously then 'it is' cannot have the same implication here. V. supra 5b.');">⁷</span>

Said R'Eliezer to him: Lo, it says.

As is the sin-offering, so is the guilt-offering:<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lev. VII, 7.');">⁸</span>

[hence] as the sin-offering is invalid if not [slaughtered] for its ow sake, so is the guilt-offering invalid if not [slaughtered] for its own sake.

The Master said: R'Joshua said to him: l am moving in a circle.'

Yet let the argument revolve and the inference be made from the feature common to both.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lit. from 'what is the side' (which they have in common) ? V. Supra a bottom; the feature common to both the sin-offering and the Passover-offering is that they may be eaten one night only. The guilt-offering shares this feature, and therefore it also, like the other two, should be invalid if slaughtered for a different purpose.');">⁹</span>

- [That argument is not employed] because it can be refuted: the feature common to both is that there is an aspect of kareth in them.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The sin-offering is brought on account of an unwitting offence which if wilful is punishable by kareth, The neglect to bring the Passover-offering by one who is not unclean or on a distant journey is likewise punishable by kareth (Num. IX, 13) .');">¹⁰</span>

The Master said:<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Emended text (Sh. M.) .');">¹¹</span>

R'Joshua said to him: That is not so.

If you say [thus] of the sin-offering, [the reaso because its blood [is sprinkled] above [the scarlet line].'

Yet let him [rather] say to him: That is not so.

If say [thus] of the sin-offering, [the reason is] because its blood enters the innermost shrine?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' In the case of the sin-offering of the Day of Atonement,');">¹²</span>

- We are discussing the outer sin-offerings.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Those which do not enter the innermost shrine - i.e., all save that of the Day of Atonement,');">¹³</span>

[Yet let him say: The reason is] because if its blood enters the innermost shrine it is invalid? - R'Eliezer holds that the guilt-offering too [is invalid in that case].

[Let him say to The reason is] because it makes atonement for those who are liable to kareth? - [R'Eliezer draws his analogy] from the sin-offering incurred through hearing a voice.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' V. Lev, V, 1ff. This does not involve kareth,');">¹⁴</span>

[Let him say to him: The reason is] because it [the blood] requires four applications? - [R'Eliezer holds] as R'Ishmael, who maintains: All blood<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The blood of all sacrifices,');">¹⁵</span>

requires four applications.

[Yet let him say: The reason is because the blood requires four applications] on the four horns [of the altar]?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Whereas even R. Ishmael admits that the blood of the guilt-offering is not sprinkled on the four horns, but only on two.');">¹⁶</span>

- Now according to your reasoning, surely there are [the distinctions of] the finger, the horn, and the point?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The blood of the sin-offering must be applied with the finger on the point (i.e.. the top) of the horn, whereas the blood of other sacrifices is not applied actually on the top. - The point is: If one is seeking distinctions, there are many other than that drawn by R. Joshua.');">¹⁷</span>

Rather [the fact is that] he [R'Joshua] mentions [but] on of two or three reasons [distinctions].

The Master said: 'Said R'Joshua to him: That is not so.

If you say' etc. Let R'Eliezer answer him: The blood of a guilt-offering too is [sprinkled] above [the scarlet line]?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' For R. Eliezer likens the guilt-offering to the sin-offering.');">¹⁸</span>

- Said Abaye: You cannot say that the blood of a guilt-offering is [sprinkled] above, [as the reverse may be inferred] from a burnt-offering, a fortiori: if the blood of a burnt-offering, which is completely burnt, is [sprinkled] below, how much the more [is this true of] a guilt-offering, which is not completely burnt. As for a burnt-offering, the reason is becaus it does not make atonement! Let the bird sin-offering prove it.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Its blood is sprinkled below, though it does make atonement.');">¹⁹</span> As for a bird sin-offering, the reason is because it is not a species that is slaughtered!<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The bird-offering was not slaughtered, its neck being wrung (Lev. I, 15) .');">²⁰</span> Then let a burnt-offering prove it. Thus the peculiarity of the one is not the peculiarity of the other, and that of the other is not the same as the peculiarity of the first: feature common to both is that they are sacrifices of the higher sanctity,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' V. Supra ');">²¹</span> and their blood is [sprinkled] below: so will I adduce a guilt-offering too, that [since] it is of the higher sanctity, its blood is [sprinkled below. Raba of Parzakia<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Farausag, in the vicinity of Be Dura, one of the four districts in the middle of which Baghdad was built; v. Obermeyer, Landschaft, pp. 268-9.');">²²</span> said to R'Ashi: But let him refute [it thus]: The feature common to both is that [their value] is unfixed; will you then say [the same of] a guilt-offering, which has a fixed [value]?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' V. Lev. V, 15 seq.');">²³</span> Rather this is R'Eliezer's reason,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' For holding that the blood of a guilt-offering is sprinkled below. tyjnv');">²⁴</span> viz. , because Scripture saith, The priest that offereth it for a sin-offering:<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lev. VI, 19. The Heb. is understood to mean he who sprinkles its blood in accordance with its law as a sin-offering, viz., above the scarlet line.');">²⁵</span> ['it' requires] its blood [to be sprinkled] above, but the blood of no other [sacrifice] is [sprinkled] above. If so, us say with respect to [the slaughtering of] the sin-offering too, [only] it is valid [when slaughtered] in its own name but invalid when not [slaughtered] in its own name, whereas other sacrifices are valid whether in their own name or not in their own name?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Since the unfitness of a sin-offering when not killed for its own sake is deduced from, And he shall kill it for a sin-offering (Lev. IV, 33) . Then R. Eliezer should regard the ' it' here too as a limitation and not apply the same law to the guilt-offering.');">²⁶</span> - That 'it' is not meant particularly, since it disregards the Passover-offering.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' To which the same law applies, as was shewn supra 7b.');">²⁷</span> Then here too it is not meant particularly, since it disregards the bird burnt-offering?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Whose blood too is sprinkled above; infra 65a.');">²⁸</span> - At all events nothing which is slaughtered is omitted.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The limitation of 'it' applies to all slaughtered sacrifices,');">²⁹</span> Alternatively, this agrees with R'Eleazar son of R'Simeon, who maintained: [The blood of] the one is [sprinkled] in a separate place, and [that of] the other is [sprinkled] in a separate place.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Though the blood of both the sin-offering and the bird burnt-offering is sprinkled above the scarlet line, yet each has a different place. Therefore the limitation of 'it' in respect to the sprinkling of the blood has no exception at all.');">³⁰</span> For it was taught: The lower blood is applied below the scarlet line, while the upper [blood is applied] above the scarlet line,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' At any point above it. - 'Lower' and 'upper' mean that which is applied below and that which is applied above respectively.');">³¹</span> Said R'Simeon B'Eleazar: This holds good only of the bird burnt-offering; but in the case of the animal sin-offering its [blood] is applied essentially on the very horn [of the altar].<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' And not merely anywhere above the line.');">³²</span> We learnt elsewhere:<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Infra 81b.');">³³</span> For R'Akiba maintained: All blood which entered the Hekal<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The hall containing the golden altar etc., contrad. to the Holy of Holies (Jast.) .');">³⁴</span> to make atonement is unfit; but the Sages rule: The sin-offering alone [is unfit].<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' When Moses rebuked Aaron for not eating the flesh of the sin-offering on the day of his consecration, he said to him: Behold, the blood of it was not brought into the sanctuary within; ye should certainly have eaten it (Lev. X, 18; v. also ib. VI, 23) . This proves that if it had been brought 'within' Aaron would have been right, for the sacrifice would have thereby become unfit. Now the passage actually refers to a sin-offering: R. Akiba holds that its implication extends to all other sacrifices too, while the Rabbis confine it to the sin-offering.');">³⁵</span> R'Eliezer said: The guilt-offering too [is thus], for it says, As is the sin-offering, so is the guilt-offering.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lev. VII, 7.');">³⁶</span> As for R'Eliezer, i is well, his reason being as stated. But what is the reason of the Rabbis? - Said Raba: [They argue that] you cannot say that if the blood of the guilt-offering enters within it is unfit, [for the reverse follows] from the burnt-offering, afortiori. If