Talmud Bavli
Talmud Bavli

Commentary for Kiddushin 104:17

אמר ר' יוחנן

Cannot a man accept kiddushin on his daughter's behalf in the Temple Court? And cannot a woman authorize a messenger to receive her kiddushin in the Temple Court? Again, what if she forces herself in?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' And accepts kiddushin, though she has no right to be there at all, according to Rashi; or, 'forces' is used metaphorically: what if she insists on entering there for that purpose, though it is unusual? (so presumably understood by Tosaf.)');"><sup>31</sup></span> It was taught: R'Judah said: She is betrothed;<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' When given the priests' portion as kiddushin.');"><sup>32</sup></span> R'Jose ruled: She is not betrothed. Said R'Johanan: Both derive [their views] from the same verse: This shall be thine of the most holy things, reserved from the fire.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Num. XVIII, 9.');"><sup>33</sup></span> R'Judah holds, 'thine' [implies] for all thy needs;<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Which includes betrothal.');"><sup>34</sup></span> whereas R'Jose maintains it is as [what is offered on] 'th fire':<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Sc. on the altar.');"><sup>35</sup></span> just as the fire is for consumption only,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The portion belonging to God is consumed by fire on the altar, and cannot be disposed of in any other way.');"><sup>36</sup></span> so that too is for consumption [by the priest] only.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' And he cannot put it to any other use.');"><sup>37</sup></span> R'Johanan said:

Daf Shevui to Kiddushin

So now we have a dispute about whether there is a dispute. Those rabbis sure love their disputes!
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