Talmud Bavli
Talmud Bavli

Commentary for Kiddushin 143:1

והאידנא הוא דליוה פרסאי אמר ליה אביי לרב יוסף להא גיסא דפרת עד היכא אמר ליה מאי דעתיך משום בירם מייחסי דפומבדיתא מבירם נסבי

but now the Persians have set it higher.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Above Fort Tulbakene; hence Abaye and R. Joseph were not opposed to this.');"><sup>1</sup></span> Abaye said to R'Joseph: How far does it extend on this [sc. the west] side of the Euphrates? Said he to him: What is your motive [in asking]: on account of Biram?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Which lay on the west of the Euphrates, some miles N.W. of Pumbeditha.');"><sup>2</sup></span> The most distinguished [families] of Pumbeditha took [wives] from Biram! R'Papa said: Just as they differ over family purity, so they differ over divorce.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' If one brings a divorce from any country except Palestine and Babylon, he must declare that it was written and attested in his presence. R. Papa maintains that the controversies on the boundaries of Babylon apply to this too.');"><sup>3</sup></span>

Daf Shevui to Kiddushin

Rav, Shmuel and R. Yohanan discuss how far Babylonia extends on the upper reaches of the Euphrates.
Abaye curses either Rav or both Rav and Shmuel for extending the border to far north. Note that Abaye wants to limit the extension of genealogical purity so far north. He is more stringent than the other rabbis.
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Daf Shevui to Kiddushin

Abaye is again, hot to trot, to cut people out of assumptions of genealogical purity. He seems to want to disqualify Biram. But R. Yosef responds that families with the best lineage in Pumbedita married women from Biram. So relax Abaye.
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