Commentary for Kiddushin 87:17

בעא מיניה רבא מרב נחמן

And should you answer: It is all the opinion of R'Judah, who, however, agrees with R'Simeon in the matter of detailed enumeration,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Viz., that each statement is regarded as separate only if it is separately enumerated, as above.');">²³</span> yet does he hold thus? Surely it was taught: This is the rule: For a comprehensive statement only one [sacrifice] is incurred; for a detailed enumeration each one separately involves liability:<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The meaning of these terms is discussed in Shebu. 38a.');">²⁴</span> this is R'Meir's opinion. R'Judah said: [If he declares, 'I take] an oath [that I am] not indebted to you, not to you, no to you,' he is liable in respect of each separately. R'Eleazar said: [If he declares, 'I am] not [indebted] to not to you, not to you, and not to you: [for this I take] an oath': he is liable in respect of each.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' By adding 'and' before the last (which is absent in R. Judah's premise) and employing the word 'oath' after the enumeration, he makes his declaration equivalent to a number of separate statements.');">²⁵</span> R'Simeon said: He is never liable [for each separately] unless he declares [I take] an oath to each separately!<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Thus R. Judah definitely disagrees with R. Simeon.');">²⁶</span> - But the whole is in accordance with R'Simeon, who in the matter of agency agrees with R'Judah.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Viz., only her father can accept kiddushin, but not she herself. - 'Agency' here does not refer to the question whether she can appoint an agent, as it is generally admitted that a na'arah certainly cannot (infra b) , but whether she herself can rank as her father's agent (since Scripture vested the power in him - supra 3b.) - Maharsha.');">²⁷</span> R'Assi did not go to the Beth Hamidrash.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' V. Glos.');">²⁸</span> Meeting R'Zera, he asked him, 'What has been taught to-day in the schoolhouse? ' 'I too did not go,' he replied: 'but R'Abin was present, and he told me that the entire band [of disciples] agreed with R'Johanan;<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Supra 43b.');">²⁹</span> and though Resh Lakish cried like a crane,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e., vehemently protested.');">³⁰</span> and when she is departed. she may be [another man's wife],<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Deut. XXIV, 2: from this it is deduced that marriage and divorce are on a par (supra 5a) , and thus it supports Resh Lakish. hbdhyk tnh ihnf');">³¹</span> none heeded him.' 'Is R'Abin reliable? ' he asked him, 'Yes,' he replied: 'as from the sea into the frying pan!'<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' He had as little time to forget as a fish that is caught in the sea and put straight into the pan. [Others explain the phrase as names of two places next to each other. Horowitz Palestine, p. 323 n. 9. takes it as a corruption of comminatio litigo, R. Zera cautioning R. Assi to occasion no strife by impugning the authority of R. Abin.]');">³²</span> R'Nahman B'Isaac said: I [read in this story] neither R'Abin B'R'Hiyya nor R'Abin B'Kahana, but simply R'Abin. What does it matter? - In proving a self-contradiction.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Should a statement by either of these contradict this assertion of R. Abin, it does not matter, as a different person may be meant.');">³³</span> Raba asked R'Nahman:

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