Commentary for Makkot 24:5

כי פליגי במהוי עיקרו דרגא לנופו מר סבר הוי עיקרו דרגא לנופו ומר סבר לא הוי עיקרו דרגא לנופו

When do they argue? On whether the trunk may be used as a ladder to reach the branches. One opinion [Rebbi Yehuda] holds that the trunk may be used as a ladder to reach the branches, and the other opinion [the Rabbis] hold that the trunk may not be used as a ladder to reach the branches.

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