Musar for Kiddushin 116:6

ואיבעית אימא דכולי עלמא לית להו דשמואל והכא היינו טעמא דרבי דקנסוהו רבנן לגנב

and the other that they are not. Alternatively, all agree that they are regarded as separated, and disposal rights have no monetary value.

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