Reference for Menachot 147:11

אמר ר' חייא בר אבא הוי בה רבי יוחנן בית הדשן דהיכא אי דלמעלה היינו אבוה אי דלמטה יש לך דבר שקרב למטה

then his view is identical with his father's;<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' For by scattering it on the ash-heap it is equivalent to burning it on the altar, which is the view expressed by his father R. Simeon.');">¹³</span> and if that which is below,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e., the ash-heap on the ground by the side of the altar near the ascent.');">¹⁴</span>

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