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Chullin 114

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הוה לן פתחון פה קמיה דרב הונא ושאילניה ואמר לן

we had an opportunity of asking R'Huna about this and he told us.

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שמוטת ירך בעוף כשירה

If the femur of a bird was dislodged it was permitted.

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ואשכחתיה נמי לרבי ירמיה בר אבא דיתיב וקא בדיק בצומת הגידין ואקשי ליה

Moreover, I once found R'Jeremiah B'Aba sitting and examining [the femur of a bird) at the juncture of the tendons, and I put to him the question. "Does not the Master concur with the view reported by R'Huna in the name of Rab that if the femur of a bird was dislodged it was permitted"?

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לא סבר לה מר הא דאמר רב הונא אמר רב

and he replied. "I know only of the Mishnah: If the hind legs of an animal were cut off below the knee joint it is permitted, above the knee joint it is trefah; similarly, if the juncture of the tendons was gone it is trefah.

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שמוטת ירך בעוף כשרה

And Rab has said.

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א"ל אנא מתניתין ידענא

The same is the law in the case of a bird".

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בהמה שנחתכו רגליה מן הארכובה ולמטה כשרה מן הארכובה ולמעלה פסולה וכן שניטל צומת הגידין

I then said to him, "Then is there not here a contradiction between the two statements of Rab"?

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ואמר רב עלה

At this he remained silent, and I thereupon suggested: "Perhaps Rab makes a distinction in law between a limb dislodged and a limb cut off"?

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וכן בעוף

And he replied, "And you merely suggest this distinction in Rab! Rab has expressly said so: If the femur [of a bird] was dislodged it is permitted, but if cut off it is trefah".

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ואמרי ליה

Now what further traditions have you about it'? - [He replied,] 'Thus said R'Hiyya B'Ashi in the name of Rab.

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אי הכי קשיא דרב אדרב

If the femur of a bird was dislodged it is trefah'.

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אישתיק

So, too, did R'Jacob B'Idi say in the name of R'Johanan.

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ואקשי ליה

If the femur of a bird was dislodged it is trefah.

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ודלמא שני ליה לרב בין שמוטה לחתוכה

And R'Jacob B'I further said: Had R'Johanan been present there when the leading scholars<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lit., 'collegiates'.');"><sup>1</sup></span>

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ואמר לי

ruled that it was permitted, he would not have raised a voice against it.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lit., 'he would not have moved'.');"><sup>2</sup></span>

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ואת מפרשת שמעתיה דרב

For R'Hanina reported in the name of Rabbi: If the femur of a bird was dislodged it is permitted.

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בפירוש אמר רב

Indeed, R'Hanina once had a hen the femur of which had become dislodged and he brought it to Rabbi, and the latter declared it to be permitted.

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שמוטה כשרה חתוכה פסולה

Thereupon R'Hanina preserved it in salt and used it to demonstrate the law to the pupils: 'This did Rabbi permit to me, this did Rabbi permit to me'.

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ואת מה בידך

The law, however, does not rest with any of the above views [that declare it to be permitted], but it is as stated in the following incident:<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Cf. infra: 'The law is widespread in Israel that if the femur of a bird is dislodged it is trefah'.');"><sup>3</sup></span>

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הכי אמר רב חייא בר אשי אמר רב

R'Jose B'Nehorai asked R'Joshua B'Levi, 'How large must a hole in the windpipe be [in order to render the animal trefah]? ' He replied.'

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שמוטת ירך בעוף טרפה

We have learnt it as a clear statement in our Mishnah, viz. , Up to an Italian issar'.

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וכן אמר ר' יעקב בר אידי א"ר יוחנן

The other retorted: 'But there was a lamb in our neighbourhood in whose windpipe there was a [large] hole and they inserted in it a tube of reed and it recovered'! He rejoined.'

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שמוטת ירך בעוף טרפה

And can you rely upon this?

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ואמר ר' יעקב בר אידי

Is not the law widespread in Israel that if the femur of a bird is dislodged it is trefah?

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אילמלי הוה רבי יוחנן באתרא דאורו בה חברוותא להתירא לא פרכיס

Nevertheless it is related that R'Simeon B'Halafta had a hen whose femur was dislodged, and they prepared for it a tube of reed [as a support] and it recovered! You can only suggest in explanation [that it recovered] within twelve months<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e., it was only a temporary recovery and could not continue to live for full twelve months after the injury, for the principle is well established that a trefah cannot continue to live for twelve months after the injury.');"><sup>4</sup></span>

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דאמר רבי חנינא אמר רבי

[of the injury], so in the former case too you must say [that it recovered] within twelve months [of the injury].

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שמוטת ירך בעוף כשרה

It was said of R'Simeon B'Halafta that he was an experimenter in all things.

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ותרנגולת היתה לו לרבי חנינא שנשמטה ירך שלה והביאה לפני רבי והתירה לו ומלחה רבי חנינא והוה מורי בה הלכה לתלמידים

Indeed he once made an experiment to disprove R'Judah's view.

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זה התיר לי רבי

For we have learnt: R'JUDAH SAYS, IF ITS DOWN WAS GONE IT IS INVALID.

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זה התיר לי רבי ולית הלכתא ככל הני שמעתתא אלא כי הא דשאל רבי יוסי בן נהוראי את ר' יהושע בן לוי

Now R'Simeon B'Halafta once had a hen whose down was gone entirely.

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קדירת קנה בכמה

He put it into the oven, having first wrapped it in the [warm] leather apron used by bronze workers, and it grew feathers even larger than the original ones.

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אמר לו משנה שלמה שנינו

But perhaps R'Judah maintains that a trefah can improve?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' R. Judah would hold that it is not unlikely for an animal though trefah to improve temporarily in its physical condition.');"><sup>5</sup></span>

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עד כאיסר האיטלקי

- Surely not in that very physical blemish which rendered it trefah! For here it grew feathers even larger than the original ones.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Inasmuch as the loss of its feathers was the cause of the bird being regarded trefah it surely would not now increase its plumage.');"><sup>6</sup></span>

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אמר לו

Why was he called an experimenter? - R'Mesharsheya said: It is written: Go to the ant, thou sluggard; consider her ways and be wise: which having no chief, overseer, or ruler, provideth her bread in the summer.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Prov. VI, 6-8.');"><sup>7</sup></span>

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והלא רחל אחת היתה בשכונתנו שנקדר קנה שלה ועשו לה קרומין של קנה וחיתה

He [R'Simeon B'Halafta] said: I shall go and find out whether it is true that they have no king He went at the summer solstice,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lit., 'at the cycle of Tammuz', i.e., the quarter of the year following June 21 st, the summer solstice.');"><sup>8</sup></span>

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אמר לו

and spread his coat over an ant-hill.

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ועל דא את סמיך

When one [ant] came out he marked it, and it immediately entered and informed the others that shadows had fallen,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' For ants shun the fierce heat of the sun and only venture forth in the shade.');"><sup>9</sup></span>

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והלא הלכה רווחת בישראל

whereupon they all came forth.

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שמוטת ירך בעוף טרפה

He then removed his coat and the sun beat down upon them.

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ותרנגולת היתה לו לרבי שמעון בן חלפתא שנשמטה ירך שלה ועשו לה שפופרת של קנה וחיתה

Thereupon they set upon this ant and killed it.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' For having deceived them.');"><sup>10</sup></span>

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אלא מאי אית לך למימר תוך י"ב חדש הוה

He then said: It is clear that they have no king, for otherwise they would surely have required to obtain royal sanction!<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' For the execution of the delinquent ant.');"><sup>11</sup></span>

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הכא נמי תוך י"ב חדש הוה

R'Aha, son of Raba, said to R'Ashi: But perhaps the king was with them, or they had royal authority,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e., they acted within the law which provides that one that deceives others shall be put to death.');"><sup>12</sup></span>

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אמרו עליו על רבי שמעון בן חלפתא שעסקן בדברים היה והיה עושה דבר להוציא מלבו של רבי יהודה שהיה רבי יהודה אומר

or it was during an interregnum [when they were under no law], as it is written: In those days there was no king in Israel: every man did that which was right in his own eyes!<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Jud. XVII, 6.');"><sup>13</sup></span>

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אם ניטלה הנוצה פסולה

Rather must you take the word of Solomon for it.

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ותרנגולת היתה לו לרבי שמעון בן חלפתא שניטלה נוצה שלה והניחה בתנור וטלה עליה במטלית של טרסיים וגידלה כנפיים האחרונים יותר מן הראשונים

R'Huna said: The test for a trefah is twelve months.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' If an animal about which there arose a doubt whether it was trefah or not continued to live twelve months - or according to Rabbi, infra, thirty days - it certainly was not trefah.');"><sup>14</sup></span>

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ודלמא קסבר רבי יהודה טרפה משבחת

An objection was raised.

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אם כן במידי דמיטרפא בה הגדילה כנפיים האחרונים יותר מן הראשונים

It was taught: The test for a trefah is that it cannot bring forth young.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' This does not mean to say that if it cannot bring forth young it is certainly trefah, for this may be due to various causes; but it means that if it does bring forth young it is certainly not trefah (Tosaf.) .');"><sup>15</sup></span>

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מאי עסקן בדברים

R'Simon B'Gamaliel says.

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א"ר משרשיא דכתיב

If it improves in health it is certainly<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lit., 'it is known'.');"><sup>16</sup></span>

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(משלי ו, ו) לך אל נמלה עצל ראה דרכיה וחכם אשר אין לה קצין שוטר ומושל תכין בקיץ לחמה אמר

fit, if it wastes away it is certainly trefah.

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איזיל איחזי אי ודאי הוא דלית להו מלכא אזל בתקופת תמוז פרסיה לגלימיה אקינא דשומשמני

Rabbi says: The test for a trefah is thirty days.

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נפק אתא חד מינייהו אתנח ביה סימנא

But they said t Is it not a fact that many continue to live for two or three years?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The objection against R. Huna is that none of the teachers in this Baraitha mention the test period of twelve months.');"><sup>17</sup></span>

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על אמר להו

- Tannaim differ in this, for it was taught: If in the skull there was one long hole or if there were many small holes in it - in either case the hole or holes are computed to make up the measure of a hole the size of a [surgical] drill.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' V. supra 45a.');"><sup>18</sup></span>

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נפל טולא

R'Jose B'ha-Meshullam said: It happened at 'Ain Ibl<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' 'Ain Ibl North West of Saffed. Klein's N.B., p. 41.');"><sup>19</sup></span>

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נפקו ואתו

that a person had a hole in his skull and they put over it a plaster of a gourd-shell and he recovered.

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דלייה לגלימיה נפל שמשא נפלו עליה וקטליה

But R'Simeon said to him: Do you mean to prove your case from that?

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אמר

It happened in the summer months but when winter set in he died.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The man did not, as R. Jose imagined, live on for years. He did not live full twelve months, for as soon as the winter set in he died. It is therefore indicated in this Baraitha that a trefah cannot live through a winter and a summer, i.e., twelve months, thus agreeing with R. Huna.');"><sup>20</sup></span>

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שמע מינה לית להו מלכא דאי אית להו הרמנא דמלכא לא ליבעו

R'Aha B'Jacob said: The halachah is that a trefah animal can bring forth young and can also improve.

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א"ל רב אחא בריה דרבא לרב אשי

Amemar said: As to the eggs of a bird that was [rendered] trefah.

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ודלמא מלכא הוה בהדייהו

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א"נ הרמנא דמלכא הוו נקיטי

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אי נמי בין מלכא למלכא הוה דכתיב

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(שופטים יז, ו) בימים ההם אין מלך בישראל איש הישר בעיניו יעשה

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אלא סמוך אהימנותא דשלמה

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אמר רב הונא

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סימן לטרפה י"ב חדש

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מיתיבי

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סימן לטרפה כל שאינה יולדת

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רשב"ג אומר

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משבחת והולכת בידוע שהיא כשרה מתנוונה והולכת בידוע שהיא טרפה

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רבי אומר

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סימן לטרפה שלשים יום

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אמרו לו

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והלא הרבה מתקיימות שתים שלש שנים

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תנאי היא דתניא

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ובגלגלת (עד) שיש בה נקב אחד ארוך אפילו נקבים הרבה מצטרפים למלא מקדח

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א"ר יוסי בן המשולם

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מעשה בענבול באחד שנפחתה גלגלתו ועשו לו חידוק של קרויה וחיה

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אמר לו ר' שמעון בן אלעזר

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משם ראיה

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ימות החמה היה וכיון שעברו עליו ימות הצנה מיד מת

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אמר רב אחא בר יעקב

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הלכה טרפה יולדת ומשבחת

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אמר אמימר

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הני ביעי דטרפה

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