Chullin 116

Chapter 116

א הני תמרי דכדא לבתר תריסר ירחי שתא שריין

1 that dates which were kept in a vessel [and which became wormy]1

ב אמר רב

2 are permitted after twelve months.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' l.e., if twelve months have elapsed since the dates were picked from the tree. Worms found then in the dates are certainly permitted, for they could not possibly have crawled in the fruit whilst it was yet on the tree, since they could not have existed for so long.');">2

ג לית בקא בר יומא ולית דידבא בת שתא

3 Rab said: No gnat lives a complete day, and no fly lives a complete year.

ד אמר ליה רב פפא לאביי והא אמרי אינשי

4 R'Papa said to Abaye.

ה שב שני אימרא בקתא מבקא דאמרה ליה

5 But there is a popular story, 'For seven years the she-gnat quarrelled with the he-gnat.

ו חזיתיה לבר מחוזא דסחא במיא וסליק ואיכרך בסדינין ואותיבת עליה ומצת מיניה ולא הודעת לי

6 Said she to him, "I was once watching a resident of Mahza bathing in the sea, and when he came out and wrapped himself in a sheet you came and settled down on him and sucked his blood, but you did not tell me of it"'.

ז א"ל

7 - He replied: If as you suggest [that it is to be taken literally], behold that other popular saying.'

ח וליטעמיך הא דאמרי אינשי

8 A weight of sixty minas of iron i suspended on the gnat's proboscis'.3

ט שיתין מני פרזלא תלו ליה לבקא בקורנסיה מי איכא איהו גופיה כמה הוי

9 Is this possible?

י אלא במני דידהו הכא נמי בשני דידהו

10 How much does the whole [gnat] weigh?

יא תנן התם

11 Obviously it speaks of their minas,4

יב בהמה בעלת ה' רגלים או שאין לה אלא שלש ה"ז מום

12 so in the previous saying it speaks of their years.4

יג אמר רב הונא

13 We have learnt elsewhere:5

יד לא שנו אלא שחסר ויתר ביד אבל חסר ויתר ברגל טרפה נמי הויא מאי טעמא

14 An animal that has five legs or only three is considered with blemish.6

טו כל יתר כנטול דמי

15 R'Huna said: This was stated only of a fore-leg that is wanting or too many, but if a hind leg is wanting or too many it is even trefah.

טז ההיא חיותא דהוה לה תרתי סניא דיבי אייתוה לרבינא וטרפה מדרב הונא

16 Why?

יז ואי שפכן להדדי כשרה

17 Because every addition [of a limb] is deemed equal to the loss [of the limb].<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The abnormal addition of a limb or organ is treated in law as if both the abnormal and also the normal limb or organ were gone. So that if in the absence of a certain limb the animal would be trefah, it would likewise be trefah if there were two of those limbs. (Rashi) .');">7

יח ההיא גובתא דהוה נפקא מבי כסי להובלילא סבר רב אשי למיטרפה א"ל רב הונא מר בר חייא לרב אשי

18 An animal having two sania dibi8

יט כל הני חיוי ברייתא הכי אית להו

19 was brought before Rabina, and he declared it trefah because of R'Huna's principle.

כ ההוא גובתא דהוה מעברא מבי כסי לכרסא סבר מר בר רב אשי לאכשורה אמר ליה רב אושעיא

20 If, however, they run into each other it would be permitted.9

כא אטו כולהו בחדא מחיתא מחתינהו

21 A tube running from the reticulum to the omasum was once found in an animal.

כב היכא דאתמר אתמר היכא דלא אתמר לא אתמר

22 R'Ashi was about to declare it trefah when R'Huna Mar B'Hiyya said to him, But all animals that feed in the open fields have this tube! A tube running from the reticulum to the rumen was once found in an animal.

כג העיד נתן בר שילא רב טבחיא דציפורי לפני רבי על שני בני מעים היוצאין מן הבהמה כאחד שהיא טרפה וכנגדן בעוף כשרה

23 R'Ashi was about to declare it permitted when R'Oshaia said to him, Did you weave them all in one web?10

כד במה דברים אמורים שיוצאין בשני מקומות אבל יוצאין במקום אחד וכלין עד כאצבע כשרה

24 Where it has been expressly stated11

כה פליגי בה רב אמי ורב אסי חד אמר

25 it has been stated, but where it has not been expressly stated it has not been stated.12

כו הוא דהדרי וערבי וחד אמר

26 Nathan B'Shila, chief slaughterer in Sepphoris, testified before Rabbi: If two sets of intestines issue concurrently from the [abomasum of the animal].<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' From two parts of the abomasum. This is the interpretation of Rashi and R. Gershom. Alfasi and Maim. interpret quite differently. According to them the passage deals not with a double set of intestines but with an appendix that branches off the main intestines.');">13

כז אע"ג דלא הדרי וערבי

27 it is trefah; in a bird, however, [an abnormality] such as this would b permitted.14

כח בשלמא למאן דאמר

28 This is the rule only if they emerge from two separate parts [of the abomasum], but if they emerge from the same place [in the abomasum] and coalesce within a fingerbreadth,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e., they have not been separate for more than a fingerbreadth. The word , generally translated 'and they end', may be derived from the kkf root which means to merge into one, to coalesce. The dispute between R. Ammi and R. Assi which follows arises from the meaning given by each to this word; v. Hal. Ged. ed. Hildesheimer, p. 538.');">15

כט הוא דהדרי וערבי היינו דקתני

29 it is permitted.

ל עד כאצבע אלא למאן דאמר

30 R'Ammi and R'Assi differ; one says they must be fused into one; the other says they need not be fused into one.

לא אע"ג דלא הדרי וערבי מאי עד כאצבע

31 Now it is well according to him who says that they must be fused into one, for that would be the meaning of the phrase 'within a fingerbreadth';16

לב עד כאצבע מלמטה:

32 but according to him who says that they need not be fused into one, what does 'within a fingerbreadth' mean? - It means, [that they are in fact fused into one] in the last fingerbreadth below.17

לג ר' יהודה אומר

33 R'JUDAH SAYS, IF ITS DOWN WAS GONE IT IS INVALID.

לד אם ניטלה הנוצה פסולה:

34 R'Johanan said that R'Judah and R'Ishmael both taught the same rule.18

לה אמר רבי יוחנן

35 R'Judah we have just quoted.

לו ר' יהודה ור' ישמעאל אמרו דבר אחד

36 R'Ishmael we find in the following Mishnah: The down is to be reckoned<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' So as to make up an olive's size. The reference is to Toh. I, 2, and, according to Rashi and the present text of the Gemara is to be explained as follows: If the priest, whilst nipping off the head of a sin-offering of a bird, expressed the intention of eating an olive's bulk of it at the improper time, and this olive's bulk was made up partly of the flesh and partly of the down of the bird, it would be piggul (v. Glos.) , and he would be liable to the penalty of Kareth. In MS.M. and in the old editions, as evidenced by the views of R. Gershom, Tosaf., R. Samson and others, there are found the words 'the law of uncleanness' in place of the words in our text 'the law of piggul'. The interpretation accordingly is as follows: R. Ishmael holds that the down is to be reckoned together with the flesh so as to make the size of an egg - this being the minimum size - in order to convey uncleanness. In other words the down is deemed to be a foodstuff as the flesh.');">19

לז ר' יהודה הא דאמרן

37 [with the flesh].

לח ר' ישמעאל דתנן רבי ישמעאל אומר

38 Raba said: Perhaps it is not so?

לט הנוצה מצטרפת

39 It may be that R'Judah said so only with regard to the law of trefah, for there is nothing else to protect [the bird], but in respect of the la piggul he would agree with the Rabbis.20

מ אמר רבא

40 And, on the other hand, it may be that R'Ishmael said so only with regard to the law of piggul, but in respect of the law of trefah he would hold that it at no time afforded any protection.21

מא דילמא לא היא

41 <big>MISHNAH: </big>IF AN ANIMAL SUFFERED FROM CONGESTION OF THE BLOOD, OR WAS OVERCOME BY FUMES OR BY THE COLD, OR IF IT ATE OLEANDER<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' This and the other herbs mentioned in this passage, as asafoetida, crowfoot, succory, are species of plants some of which exude poisonous juices while others have poisonous leaves.');">22

מב עד כאן לא קאמר ר' יהודה הכא אלא לענין טרפה דליכא מידי דמגין עליה אבל לענין איפגולי כרבנן סבירא ליה

42 OR HENS' DUNG, OR IF IT DRANK NOXIOUS WATER, IT IS PERMITTED.

מג ועד כאן לא קאמר רבי ישמעאל התם אלא לענין איפגולי אבל לענין טרפה אגוני לא מגין:

43 IF IT ATE POISON OR WAS BITTEN BY A SNAKE, IT IS NOT FORBIDDEN AS TREFAH BUT IT IS FORBIDDEN AS A DANGER TO LIFE.

מד <big>מתני׳</big> אחוזת הדם והמעושנת והמצוננת ושאכלה הרדופני ושאכלה צואת תרנגולים או ששתת מים הרעים כשרה

44 <big>GEMARA: </big>Samuel said: If it swallowed asafoetida it is trefah.

מה אכלה סם המות או שהכישה נחש מותרת משום טרפה ואסורה משום סכנת נפשות:

45 Why?

מו <big>גמ׳</big> אמר שמואל

46 Because it will perforate the internal organs.

מז הלעיטה חלתית טרפה מ"ט דמינקבה להו למעיינה

47 R'Shizbi raised the following objection.

מח מתיב רב שיזבי

48 It was taught: If an animal suffered from congestion of the blood, or was overcome by fumes, or if it ate oleander or hens' dung, or if it drank noxious water, or if it swallowed crowfoot, asafoetida or pepper, or if it ate poison, it is permitted.

מט אחוזת הדם והמעושנת ושאכלה הרדופני ושאכלה צואת תרנגולים ושתת מים הרעים הלעיטה תיעה חלתית ופלפלין אכלה סם המות כשרה

49 If it was bitten by a snake or a mad dog, it is not forbidden as trefah but is forbidden as a danger to life.

נ הכישה נחש או שנשכה כלב שוטה מותרת משום טרפה ואסורה משום סכנת נפשות

50 Is there not here a contradiction i the matter of asafoetida,23

נא קשיא חלתית אחלתית קשיא סם המות אסם המות

51 and also in the matter of poison?24

נב חלתית אחלתית לא קשיא

52 - In the matter of asafoetida there is no contradiction, because one25

נג כאן בעלין כאן בקרטין

53 speaks of the drops of asafoetida and the other26

נד סם המות אסם המות לא קשיא

54 of the leaves.27

נה הא דידה הא דאדם

55 And in the matter of poison there is also no contradiction, because cine26

נו סם המות דבהמה היינו הרדופני

56 speaks of poison for animals28

נז תרי גווני סם המות

57 and the other29

נח מאי תיעה

58 of poison for man.

נט אמר רב יהודה

59 But if it is only a poison for animals then it is the same as oleander? - It mentions two kinds of poison. What is crowfoot? - Rab Judah said,

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