Chullin 274:1

אמר ר' יוחנן

- R'Johanan said: He<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' R. Jose.');">¹</span>

מפי שמועה אמרה מפי חגי זכריה ומלאכי:

had it as a tradition deriving from Haggai, Zechariah and Malachi.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' And therefore his opinion should be accepted as final.');">²</span>

ר' דוסא בן הרכינס אומר וכו':

R'DOSA B. HARKINAS SAYS.

וכמה כל שהן

[WHATEVER THEIR FLEECES WEIGH].

אמר רב

What is meant by 'WHATEVER'? - Rab said, [At least] a maneh and a half,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' From the five sheep there must be a minimum quantity of wool, of one maneh and a half in order to be subject to the law of the first of the fleece. This quantity equals thirty-seven and a half sela's (one maneh twenty-five sela's) .');">³</span>

מנה ופרס ובלבד שיהו מחומשות

provided each supplies [no less than] a fifth<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' No sheep shall supply less than seven and a half sela's of wool.');">⁴</span>

ושמואל אמר

[of this quantity].

ששים ונותן סלע אחת לכהן

Samuel said, [At least] sixty [sela's], and he gives thereof one sela' to the priest.

רבה בר בר חנה אמר ר' יוחנן

Rabbah B'Bar Hana said in the na of R'Johanan, [At least] six [sela's], and he gives five to the priest and retains one for himself.

שש לכהן חמשה ואחד לו

Ulla said i name of R'Eleazar: Our Mishnah expressly says: WHATEVER.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Whatever quantity of wool the five sheep produce, even though only one sela' in all, it is subject to this law.');">⁵</span>

עולא אמר ר' אלעזר

We have learnt: AND HOW MUCH SHOULD ONE GIVE HIM?

כל שהן שנינו

THE WEIGHT OF FIVE SELA'S IN JUDAH, WHICH IS EQUAL.

תנן

TO TEN SELA'S IN GALILEE.

וכמה נותן לו משקל חמש סלעים ביהודה שהן עשר סלעים בגליל

Now this is in order according to the views of Rab and R'Johanan,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' For R. Johanan expressly stated that five sela's weight shall be given to the priest in every case, even out of a total of six sela's! Rab also agrees with the ruling of the Mishnah that five sela's' weight must be given to the priest, but he merely establishes the minimum quantity of wool that is subject to this law.');">⁶</span>

בשלמא לרב ורבי יוחנן ניחא אלא לשמואל ור' אלעזר קשיא

but it surely presents a difficulty, does it not, to Samuel and R''Eleazar?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' For according to Samuel the quantity of one sela' only, and according to Ulla even less, shall be given to the priest.');">⁷</span>

וליטעמיך ולרב מי ניחא

- Then, as you would have it, it also presents a difficulty to Rab?

והא רב ושמואל דאמרי תרוייהו

For did not Rab and Samuel both rule that the proper measure for the first of the fleece is one sixtieth part?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e., the amount to be given to the priest shall not be less than one sixtieth part of the whole; whereas now it is suggested, according to Rab, that out of a total of thirty.seven and a half sela's five shall be given to the priest, almost one-seventh!');">⁸</span>

ראשית הגז בששים

But the fact is as has already been taught in connection with this [Mishnah] that Rab and Samuel both said; it<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The statement of the Mishnah FIVE SELA'S does not purport to establish this amount as the minimum quantity to be given to the priest, for this is fixed at one sixtieth in accordance with the ruling of Rab and Samuel.');">⁹</span>

הא איתמר עלה דההיא רב ושמואל דאמרי תרוייהו

speaks of the case of an Israelite who has many fleeces and who wishes to distribute them<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Sc. the sixtieth part.');">¹⁰</span>

בישראל שיש לו גיזין הרבה עסקינן ומבקש ליתנן לכהן ואמרי' ליה

among a number of priests, and we tell him that he must not give less than the weight of five sela's to each.

כל חד וחד לא תבצר ליה מחמשת סלעים

[To turn to] the main text.'

גופא רב ושמואל דאמרי תרוייהו

Rab and Samuel both ruled: The proper measure for the first of the fleece is on sixtieth part, for terumah one sixtieth part, and for the "corner" one sixtieth part'.'

ראשית הגז בששים תרומה בששים פאה בששים

For terumah one sixtieth part'.

תרומה בששים

But we have learnt: The proper measure for terumah, if a man is liberal, is one fortieth part?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' V. Ter. IV, 3, where the Mishnah continues: If he is mean it is one sixtieth part. Surely Rab and Samuel would not adopt as the general standard the measure given in the case of a mean person.');">¹¹</span>

והא אנן תנן

- According to the law of the Torah the measure is one sixtieth part,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' This is indicated in Ezek. XLV, 13: This is the heave offering (terumah) which ye shall offer; the sixth part of an ephah (i.e., half a se'ah) from an homer of wheat (i.e., thirty se'ah) . That is one sixtieth part.');">¹²</span>

תרומה עין יפה אחד מארבעים

but by Rabbinic enactment it is one fortieth part.

דאורייתא בששים דרבנן בארבעים

But has not Samuel stated that one grain of wheat frees the stack?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The obligation of terumah can be discharged by the removal of one grain from the heap, since the Torah does not prescribe any specific amount.');">¹³</span>

דאורייתא בששים

- The law of the Torah is as Samuel stated it;<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' That one grain discharges the obligation of terumah.');">¹⁴</span>

והאמר שמואל

but the Rabbinic enactment is that in respect of that which is subject [to terumah] by the Torah<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Viz., corn, wine, and oil; cf. Deut. XVIII, 4.');">¹⁵</span>

חטה אחת פוטרת את הכרי

the measure is one fortieth part, and in respect of that which is subject [to terumah] only by the Rabbis<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Viz., other fruits (besides the vine) and vegetables.');">¹⁶</span>

דאורייתא כדשמואל

the measure is one sixtieth part.'

דרבנן בדאורייתא אחת מארבעים דרבנן בדרבנן בששים

For the "corner" one sixtieth part'.

פאה בששים

But we have learnt:<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Pe'ah I, 1. iuhtr');">¹⁷</span>

והתנן

These are the things which have no fixed measure: the corner [of the field], the firstfruits, and the appearance-offering!<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Heb. The offerings to be brought on appearing before the Lord at the three Festivals (in accordance with Deut. XVI, 16: They shall not appear before the Lord empty) are not limited in their value; but see Hag. 20.');">¹⁸</span>

אלו דברים שאין להן שיעור

- By law of the Torah there is no fixed measure, but by Rabbinic enactment it is fixed as one sixtieth part.

הפאה והבכורים והראיון

Then what does he teach us?

דאורייתא אין לה שיעור דרבנן בששים

We have learnt it: The corner should not be less than one sixtieth part, even though they have said that no fixed measure is prescribed for the corner!<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Pe'ah I, 2. ohkjr kjr');">¹⁹</span>

מאי קמ"ל

- That gives the rule for the Land [of Israel], here [Rab and Samuel] give the rule for outside the Land [of Israel].

תנינא

When Isi B'Hini went up [to Palestine], R'Johanan found him teaching his son [our Mishnah and using the term] rehelim.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' In the ruling of R. Dosa b. Harkinas. , the plural of (a ewe, lamb) with the masculine plural ending im. ,ukjr');">²⁰</span>

אין פוחתין לפאה מששים אע"פ שאמרו הפאה אין לה שיעור

He [R'Johanan] said to him, 'Use the term reheloth'.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' with the feminine plural ending oth.');">²¹</span>

התם בארץ הכא בחו"ל

The other retorted, 'But it is written: Two hundred rehelim'.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Gen. XXXII, 15.');">²²</span>

כי סליק איסי בר היני אשכחיה לר' יוחנן דקא מתני ליה לבריה רחלים

He replied: 'The Torah uses its own language and the Sages their own'.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' In the speech of the Rabbis there is a marked tendency to adopt the plural ending oth in place of the ending im with which the same words okugw icrew iunvw are found in the Bible. Cf. the plural of etc. trsx ahr rucmv ypanv ,usku,');">²³</span>

אמר ליה

He [R'Johanan] then enquired, 'Who is the head of the Academy<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' ; identified by Zuri ( , pp. 247ff) as the Archi Synagogis, the supreme authority over the synagogues. V. Sot., (Sonc. ed.) p. 202, n. 5.]');">²⁴</span>

אתנייה רחלות

in Babylon'? 'Abba Arika',<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Sc. Rab. The surname Arika 'long' was given to him because of his tall physical stature, cf. Nid. 24b. Others regard Arika as a title of honour; v. Jast. s.v., and Weiss Dor, III, 247.');">²⁵</span>

א"ל

he replied.'

כדכתיב (בראשית לב, טו) רחלים מאתים

And you simply call him Abba Arika'!<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' And not by the generally accepted title of 'Rab', the Master, par excellence.');">²⁶</span>

אמר ליה

said [R'Johanan].'

לשון תורה לעצמה לשון חכמים לעצמן

I remember when I was sitting before Rabbi, seventeen rows behind Rab, seeing sparks of fire leaping from the mouth of Rabbi into the mouth of Rab and from the mouth of Rab into the mouth of Rabbi, and I could not understand what they were saying; and you simply call him Abba Arika!' Then the other asked, 'What is the minimum quantity subject to the law of the first of the fleece'? - 'Sixty [sela's]', he replied.'

אמר ליה

But', said the other, 'we have learnt: WHATEVER [THEIR FLEECES WEIGH]!' 'Then what difference is there between me and you'?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' 'If I do not know the interpretation of the Mishnah, then l am no better than you'. The Mishnah by the expression WHATEVER' assumed a minimum of sixty sela's so that the priest would receive at least one sela'.');">²⁷</span>

מאן ריש סדרא בבבל

he retorted.

אמר ליה

When R'Dimi came [from Palestine] he reported: With regard to the first of the fleece, Rab said: Sixty;<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The weight of sixty sela's is the minimum quantity subject to the law of the first of the fleece. Or: the amount to be given to the priest must be one sixtieth part of the whole.');">²⁸</span>

אבא אריכא

R'Johanan said in the name of R'Jannai: Six.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' In MS.M. 'sixty'. V. Maharam a.l.');">²⁹</span>

אמר ליה

Thereupon Abaye said to R'Dimi: One opinion is quite in order, but the other presents to us a difficulty.

אבא אריכא קרית ליה

There is indeed no contradiction between the one opinion of R'Johanan and the other, for one is his own opinions the other that of his master;<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' In fact there is an apparent contradiction between two statements of R. Johanan. Above it has been stated: 'Rabbah b. Bar Hana said in the name of R. Johanan: At least six sela's', but subsequently we read that R. Johanan told Isi b. Hini that there must be at least sixty sela's in order to be subject to the law of the first of the fleece. The report of R. Dimi however clears up this contradiction, for it is manifest that the former statement was not the personal view of R. Johanan but that of his teacher R. Jannai, and R. Dimi expressly reported it so.');">³⁰</span>

דכירנא כד הוה יתיבנא אחר י"ז שורן אחוריה דרב קמיה דרבי ונפקי זיקוקין דנור מפומיה דרב לפומיה דרבי ומפומיה דרבי לפומיה דרב ולית אנא ידע מה הן אמרין ואת אבא אריכא קרית ליה

but surely there is a contradiction between this opinion of Rab and the other, for Rab has said: At least a maneh and a half!<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e., there must be a maneh and a half - thirty-seven and a half sela's - to be subject to the law of the first of the fleece, whereas according to R. Dimi Rab ruled that there must be a minimum of sixty sela's. According to the second interpretation (v. p. 790, n. 9) the contradiction between Rab is this: Rab is reported by R. Dimi to have ruled that the measure for the first of the fleece is one sixtieth part, whereas previously Rab ruled that out of thirty-seven and a half sela's, the minimum quantity that is subject to the law of the first of the fleece, one sela', which is the very least that would constitute 'giving's must be given to the priest.');">³¹</span>

אמר ליה איהו

- There is also no contradiction between this opinion of Rab and the other, for by 'a maneh' he meant [a maneh] of forty sela's, so that [a maneh and a half] is equal to

ראשית הגז בכמה

אמר ליה ר' יוחנן

בששים

והאנן בכל שהן תנן

אמר ליה

אם כן מה בין לי ולך

כי אתא רב דימי אמר

ראשית הגז רב אמר

בששים ור' יוחנן משום ר' ינאי אמר

בשש

אמר ליה אביי לרב דימי

אנחת לן חדא ואקשת לן חדא

בשלמא דר' יוחנן אדר' יוחנן לא קשיא הא דידיה הא דרביה

אלא דרב אדרב קשיא דהא אמר רב

מנה ופרס

דרב אדרב נמי לא קשיא מאי מנה דקאמר בן ארבעים סלעים דהוה ליה