Talmud Bavli
Talmud Bavli

Keritot 53

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1

סיפא קרי ליה למעילתו איל אשם

while in the last clause HIS TRESPASS means the ram for his [Sacrilege] guilt-offering!<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' It is indeed strange that the Tanna in one Mishnah should employ the same term for the two conceptions. icur iczs');"><sup>1</sup></span>

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רישא דהוה ליה איל רובן קרן וחומשו קרו ליה למעילתו גזילו

- In the first clause where the ram which he bought<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' All printed texts have here 'their majority' which makes no sense. The commentators unanimously emend to 'which he bought', which has been adopted here.');"><sup>2</sup></span>

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סיפא דלא הוי איל רובן קרן וחומש קרי ליה איל אשם מעילתו ויביא עמה סלע וחומשה

is exactly equal to the principal and its fifth, the Tanna implies by HIS TRESPASS his misappropriation; in the last clause, however, where the ram which he bought is not equal to the principal and its fifth, the Tanna implies by HIS TRESPASS the ram for his [Sacrilege] guilt-offering, but he must bring with it a sela' and its fifth [as restitution].

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בעי רב מנשיא בר גדא

R'Menashia B'Gadda raised the question: Can a man obtain atonement with an accumulation of fifths?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' E.g. a man wrongfully made profane use of two sela's which had been dedicated for an offering. He thereupon paid to the Sanctuary the two sela's plus one fifth (as prescribed) , in all a sum of ten zuz. Then again he made profane use of the two sela's, indeed he did so four times, and on each occasion he returned the two sela's plus one fifth (i.e. two zuz) . The extra fifths now mount up to two sela's (eight zuz) which is the price of a guilt-offering for sacrilege. The question that is raised is, can these two sela's, the accumulation of the fifths of the four occasions, be used for one of the four guilt-offerings for sacrilege that he has incurred? V., however, Sh. Mek.');"><sup>3</sup></span>

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בכינוס חומשין מהו שיתכפר

If you will say [that it is held] that a man can obtain atonement with the increase of consecrated property,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' If e.g. a man bought a ram for a guilt-offering for one sela' and improved it and fattened it, or in the meantime the price of rams had gone up, and it is now worth two sela's and therefore eligible now for a guilt-offering.');"><sup>4</sup></span>

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מי אמרינן

but surely that is because he troubled himself with it,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' He expended time and money on improving the animal.');"><sup>5</sup></span>

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אם תימצי לומר אדם מתכפר בשבח הקדש משום דקטרח קמיה אבל הכא דלא קטרח לא מתכפר

whereas here, since he took no trouble with it, he cannot obtain atonement therewith.

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או דלמא אם תימצי לומר אין אדם מתכפר בשבח הקדש משום דלא אפרשיה אבל הדין כינוס חומשין דאפרשיה איכא למימר מתכפר

Or, perhaps, even if you will say that [it is held that] a man cannot obtain atonement with the increase of consecrated property, but surely that is because he did not set it apart,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' He did not actually set aside any more money beyond the original sela'.');"><sup>6</sup></span>

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דאיבעי להו

whereas here in the case of the accumulation of fifths, since he did set it apart.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' After each misappropration he set apart an extra two zuz.');"><sup>7</sup></span>

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מתכפר בשבח הקדש או לא

I might say that he can obtain atonement therewith?

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11

ת"ש

For the question was raised [in general]: Can a man obtain atonement with the increase of consecrated property or not?

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12

המפריש שני סלעים לאשם ולקח בהן שני אילים לאשם היה אחד מהן יפה שתי סלעים יקרב לאשמו והשני ירעה עד שיסתאב וימכר ויפלו דמיו לנדבה

Come and hear: [We have learnt:] IF A MAN SET APART TWO SELA'S FOR A GUILT-OFFERING AND BOUGHT THEREWITH TWO RAMS FOR A GUILT-OFFERING, IF ONE WAS OF THE VALUE OF TWO SELA'S IT MAY BE OFFERED FOR HIS GUILT-OFFERING, AND THE OTHER MUST BE LEFT TO PASTURE UNTIL IT BECOMES BLEMISHED WHEN IT IS SOLD AND ITS PRICE GOES TO THE FUND FOR FREEWILL-OFFERINGS.

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מאי לאו דזבן בארבע איל ושבח דשוי תמניא

Surely the case is, is it not, that he bought it<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Each ram.');"><sup>8</sup></span>

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ושמע מינה

for four [zuz]<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e. one sela'.');"><sup>9</sup></span>

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אדם מתכפר בשבח הקדש

and improved it so that it is now worth eight [zuz]?

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לא הכא במאי עסקינן דאוזיל רועה גביה

We thus see that a man can obtain atonement with the increase of consecrated property!<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Since one of the rams may be offered for a guilt-offering.');"><sup>10</sup></span>

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ת"ש

- No, here we are dealing with the case where the shepherd sold it to him at a reduced price.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The reduction was a personal favour to the purchaser, hence it is not considered as increase in consecrated property'.');"><sup>11</sup></span>

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18

לקח איל בסלע ופטמו והעמידו על שתים כשר

Come and hear: If a man bought a ram for one sela' and he fattened it so that it is now worth two sela's, it is valid [for a guilt-offering].

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ש"מ

Does not this prove that a man can obtain atonement with the increase of consecrated property? - No, it is different where he fattened it, for it actually cost him eight [zuz].<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Four zuz the cost of purchase and four zuz the cost of fattening.');"><sup>12</sup></span>

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אדם מתכפר בשבח הקדש

Come and hear: If a man bought a ram for one sela' and it is now worth two [sela's], it is valid [for a guilt-offering].

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לא פטמו שאני דהא חסר ליה תמניא

- Here, too, he fattened it.

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ת"ש

If so, is not this identical with the previous case? - In the firs case he bought it for four [zuz] and improved it with four [zuz] more, so that [in fact] it cost him [in all] ei [zuz]; in the second case he bought the ram for four [zuz] and improved it with three [zuz] more and now it is worth eight [zuz].

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לקח איל בסלע והרי הוא בשתים כשר

If so, read the last clause: But he must pay one sela' [to the Sanctuary].

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הכא נמי כשפטמו

[Why so? ] Has i not cost him seven [zuz]?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' At most he should have to pay to the Sanctuary one zuz.');"><sup>13</sup></span>

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25

א"ה היינו רישא

- What he must pay is what is wanting to make up the [second] sela'.

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26

רישא דזבן בארבע ואשבחיה בארבעה אחרינא דחסר ליה תמניא סיפא דזבין איל בארבע ואשבחיה בתלתא ושוי תמניא

Now if you say that a man cannot obtain atonement with the increase of consecrated property, then even if he pays [one zuz] to makeup the sela', what then?

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אי הכי אימא סיפא

Surely we require a ram costing two sela's, and it is not so here! - Rather, the Tanna holds that a man can obtain atonement with the increase of consecrated property.

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ישלם סלע הא חסר ליה ז'

If so, he should not have to make up the sela'? - This is the reason that he has to make up the sela'; it is a precautionary measure lest people say that a ram worth less than two sela's can make atonement.

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29

מאי ישלם

What is the decision? - Come and hear: If at the time [the ram] was set apart it was worth one sela', but at the time of atonement it was worth two sela's, he has fulfilled his obligation.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' This clearly proves that a man can obtain atonement with the increase of consecrated property. The precise wording of this Baraitha precludes the possibility that the increase was due to fattening. V. Sh. Mek. It must be observed that R. Gershom reads in the Baraitha: 'he has not fulfilled his obligation', and the proof is therefore the reverse, that a man cannot obtain atonement with the increase of consecrated property.');"><sup>14</sup></span>

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תשלום דסלע

R'Eleazar raised the question: Can a man obtain atonement with the increase of consecrated property or not?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' R. Eleazar apparently had not heard of the last Baraitha quoted.');"><sup>15</sup></span>

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31

ואי ס"ל דאין אדם מתכפר בשבח הקדש כי יהיב תשלום דסלע מאי הוי

Thereupon R'Johanan exclaimed: How many years is it that this one has been<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lit. 'has grown up'. (5) The substitute of an offering is holy like the offering itself; v. Lev. XXVII, 33.');"><sup>16</sup></span>

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32

איל בן שתי סלעים בעינן וליכא

in our midst and has not heard this law from me?

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33

לעולם קסבר

It would seem then that R'Johanan actually gave a ruling on this? - Indeed yes, and he stated it in connection with the following which we learnt: The young of a thank-offering, or the substitutes [of a thank-offering], or if a man set aside [an animal for] his thank-offering and it was lost, and he then set aside another in its stead, [and later the original animal was found] - these do not require the loaves.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Which must accompany the thank-offering; v. Lev. VII, 12, 13. V. Men. 79b.');"><sup>17</sup></span>

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34

אדם מתכפר בשבח הקדש

And R'Hananiah sent<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' From Palestine to Babylon.');"><sup>18</sup></span>

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אי הכי תשלום דסלע לא יתן

this ruling in the name of R'Johanan: They taught so<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' 'That the young of a thank-offering does not require the loaves'. These words appearing incur. edd. are obviously a gloss. V. Sh. Mek.');"><sup>19</sup></span>

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36

היינו טעמא דקיהיב תשלומין דסלע גזירה שמא יאמרו

only after atonement had been effected,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' With the offering of the mother animal.');"><sup>20</sup></span>

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איל פחות משתי סלעים מכפר

but before atonement had been effected it would require the loaves.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' And the young may be offered as the thank-offering in fulfillment of his obligation. This is an obvious case of increase in consecrated property, and it is taught that one may use 'the increase' in fulfillment of one's obligation.');"><sup>21</sup></span>

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מאי הוי עלה

Thus we see that R'Johanan holds that a man can obtain atonement with the increase of consecrated property.

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39

תא שמע

R'Eleazar raised the question: Can living animals be rejected or not?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' If an animal consecrated for an offering was for some cause rendered ineligible for offering, and later the disqualifying cause was removed, can it now be offered or is it permanently rejected?');"><sup>22</sup></span>

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בשעת הפרשה יפה סלע בשעת כפרה יפה שתי סלעים לא יצא

Thereupon R'Johanan exclaimed: How many years is it that this one has been in our midst and has not heard this law from me?

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בעי רבי אלעזר

It would seem then that R'Johanan actually gave a ruling on this? - Indeed yes.

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42

אדם מתכפר בשבח הקדש או לא

for R'Johanan said: In the case of an animal belonging to two partners, if one dedicated his half<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' At this stage it is ineligible for a sacrifice since only half of it is holy. The animal is consecrated only as to its money value, i.e. it must be sold and half the proceeds to be used for a sacrifice.');"><sup>23</sup></span>

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א"ר יוחנן

and later bought up the other's half and also dedicated it, the animal is holy but cannot be offered [as a sacrifice];<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Its original rejection is permanent even though now the whole animal is consecrated.');"><sup>24</sup></span>

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כמה שנים גדל זה בינינו ולא שמע הלכה זו ממני

moreover it can make [another animal holy as its] substitute, and the substitute is like itself.

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מכלל דא"ר יוחנן

We learn from this three rulings: we learn that livi animals can be rejected; and we learn that what is consecrated only for its value can cause rejection; and we also learn that the law of rejection applies also to what is consecrated only for its value.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' This and the preceding ruling amount to the same thing (Rashi) . There are several variants of the text here, v. Sh. Mek., and the parallel passages in Kid. ');"><sup>25</sup></span>

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אין ועל הדא אמרה דתנן

R'Eleazar raised the question: What is the law if in the whole world lambs became cheap?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' So that no lambs cost as much as two shekels.');"><sup>26</sup></span>

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ולד תודה ותמורתה וכן המפריש תודתו ואבדה והפריש אחרת תחתיה אין טעונה לחם

Do we say that we require your choice vows,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Deut. XII, 11. By bringing a choice animal one has surely fulfilled one's obligation, especially as no animal can be bought for two shekels.');"><sup>27</sup></span>

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ושלח ר' חנינא משמיה דר' יוחנן

which is the case here; or do we require [two] silver shekels,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lev. V, 15.');"><sup>28</sup></span>

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לא שנו אלא לאחר כפרה דולד אין טעון לחם אבל לפני כפרה טעון לחם

which is not the case here?

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50

אלמא קסבר

Thereupon R'Johanan exclaimed: Many years have we spent<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lit. 'grown up'.');"><sup>29</sup></span>

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מתכפר בשבח הקדש

in the Beth Hammidrash but we have not heard this law! 'We have not? ' Behold R'Johanan said in the name of R'Simeon B'Yohai: Why did not the Torah fix a value for [the animal-offerings brought by] those lacking atonement?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' A zab, a zabah (v. Glos.) , a woman after childbirth, and a leper, even after the completion of their period of uncleanness are still debarred from partaking of consecrated food until their prescribed offerings were brought.');"><sup>30</sup></span>

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בעי ר' אלעזר

Because it might happen that lambs would become cheap [in the whole world] and these would never be rendered fit to partake of consecrated food!<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' It follows from this that where the Torah did fix the price of the offering that condition is indispensable in all circumstances.');"><sup>31</sup></span>

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בעלי חיים נדחין או לא

- Say: We have not taught this law.

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א"ר יוחנן

But was not R'Hiyya B'Abba<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Cur. edd. R. Zera b. Adda; but cf. Ber. 38b. and Hul. 86b.');"><sup>32</sup></span>

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הרי כמה שנים גדל זה בינינו ולא שמע הלכה זו ממני

in the habit of revising all his studies every month before him [R'Johanan]?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Then surely R. Johanan must have taught his pupil this ruling.');"><sup>33</sup></span>

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מכלל דר' יוחנן אמרה

- Say, rather: This law was not sought from us in the Beth Hammidrash.

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אין דאמר ר' יוחנן

The [above] text [stated]: R'Johanan said in the name of R'Simeon B'Yohai: Why did not the Torah fix a value for [the animal-offerings brought by] those lacking atonement?

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בהמה של שני שותפין הקדיש חציה וחזר ולקח חציה והקדישה קדושה ואינה קריבה ועושה תמורה ותמורתה כיוצא בה

Because it might happen that lambs would become cheap [throughout the world] and these would never be rendered fit to partake of consecrated food.'

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ש"מ תלת

Abaye demurred: In that case the sin-offering for [eating] forbidden fat<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' A typical example of a sin involving a sin-offering.');"><sup>34</sup></span>

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ש"מ בעלי חיים נדחין וש"מ קדושת דמים מדחה וש"מ יש דיחוי בדמים

should have a fixed value, since it is brought for atonement and not to render one fit to eat consecrated food! Raba also demurred: In that case the guilt-offering of the nazarite should have a fixed value since it is brought for no apparent reason!<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lit. 'in vain'. The nazirite whose period of consecration was profaned by uncleanness was obliged, before resuming his period afresh, to bring two doves, one for a sin-offering and the other for a burnt-offering, as well as a lamb for a guilt-offering. Now his sin-offering atoned for his involuntary defilement, his burnt-offering for his sinful thoughts, whereas the sprinkling with water of purification on the third and the seventh days of his uncleanness rendered him fit to partake of consecrated food. The guilt-offering, however, seems entirely superfluous and no reason can be adduced for its offering. V. however Ned. 10a.');"><sup>35</sup></span>

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בעי ר"א

For R'Johanan said in the name of R'Simeon B'Yohai: The only offering that is brought for no reason is the guilt-offering of the nazarite! - This is indeed a difficulty.

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הוזלו טלאים בעולם מהו

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מי אמרינן (דברים יב, יא) מבחר נדריכם בעינן והא איכא או דילמא (ויקרא ה, טו) כסף שקלים בעינן וליכא

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א"ר יוחנן

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כמה שנים גדלנו בבית המדרש ולא שמענו הלכה זו

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ולא

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והאמר ר' יוחנן אמר ר' שמעון בן יוחאי

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מפני מה לא נתנה תורה קצבה במחוסרי כפרה

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שמא יוזלו טלאים ואין להן תקנה לאכול בקדשים

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אימא

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לא לימדנו הלכה זו

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והא רבי זירא בר אדא מהדר תלמודיה כל תלתין יומין קמיה

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אימא

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לא נתבקשה הלכה זו ממנו בבית המדרש

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גופא אמר רבי יוחנן משום רשב"י

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מפני מה לא נתנה קצבה במחוסרי כפרה

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שמא יוזלו טלאים ואין להם תקנה לאכול בקדשים

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מתקיף לה אביי

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אלא מעתה חטאת חלב ינתן לה קצבה דלכפרה אתיא ולאו לאישתרויי באכילת קדשים הוא

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מתקיף לה רבא

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אלא מעתה אשם נזיר להוי ליה קצבה דלבטלה הוא דאתי דאמר רבי יוחנן משום רבי שמעון בן יוחאי

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אין לך דבר שהוא בא לבטלה אלא אשם נזיר בלבד

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קשיא:

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