Menachot 213

the crop and the feathers.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' For notes v. supra p. 443. nn. 6 and 7.');">¹</span> And what about the drink-offerings? - They flow down into the pits.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' For notes v. supra p. 443. nn. 6 and 7.');">¹</span>

And what about the meal-offering that is offered with the drink-offerings? - Since there is the ordinary meal-offering which is eaten by the priests. It is therefore not definite.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' To say that the meal-offering is an offering entirely for the altar.');">²</span>

[IF A MAN SAID,] 'I TAKE UPON MYSELF TO OFFER GOLD', HE MUST BRING NOT LESS THAN A GOLDEN DENAR'Perhaps he meant a bar [of gold]! - R'Eleazar said, [We must suppose that] he said [gold] coin. Perhaps he meant small gold coins! - R'Papa said, Small gold coin is not usually made.

IF 'SILVER', HE MUST BRING NOT LESS THAN A SILVER DENAR'Perhaps he meant a bar [of silver]! - R'Eleazar said, [We must suppose that] he said [silver] coin. Then perhaps he meant small silver coin! - R'Shesheth said, It must be that in this place small silver coin was not current.

IF 'COPPER', HE MUST BRING NOT LESS THAN THE VALUE OF A SILVER MA'AH. It was taught: R'Eliezer B'Jacob said, He must bring not less than a small copper hook.

What is it fit for?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' In the Temple.');">³</span> - Abaye said, With it one could trim the wicks and cleanse the lamps.

Of iron it was taught: Others say, He must bring not less than a 'scarecrow'.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lit., 'keeping off the ravens'. An iron sheet studded with spikes that was placed on the Temple roof to prevent birds perching there. V. Mid. vhkf IV, 6. According to Aruch: an iron figure placed on the roof to scare the birds away. V. Tosaf. s.v. .');">⁴</span> And how much is that? - R'Joseph said, One cubit square.

Some report it thus: He must bring not less than one cubit square. What is it fit for? - R'Joseph said, For a scarecrow.

<big><b>MISHNAH: </b></big>[IF A MAN SAID,] 'I TAKE UPON MYSELF TO OFFER WINE', HE MUST BRING NOT LESS THAN THREE LOG.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' This being the smallest quantity of wine prescribed in the drink-offerings that accompanied the animal-offering. viz., three logs for a lamb.');">⁵</span> IF 'OIL', HE MUST BRING NOT LESS THAN ONE LOG;<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The minimum quantity of oil prescribed for a meal-offering.');">⁶</span>

BUT RABBI SAYS, NOT LESS THAN THREE LOGS.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' This being the minimum prescribed in meal-offerings that are offered with the drink-offerings.');">⁷</span> [IF HE SAID,] I SPECIFIED [HOW MUCH I WOULD OFFER] BUT I DO NOT KNOW WHAT QUANTITY I SPECIFIED', HE MUST BRING THAT QUANTITY WHICH IS THE MOST THAT IS BROUGHT ON ANY ONE DAY.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' V: GEMARA:');">⁸</span>

<big><b>GEMARA: </b></big>Our Rabbis taught: Home-born:<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Num. XV, 13; stated with reference to the drink-offerings.');">⁹</span> this teaches us that a man may offer wine as a freewill-offering.

How much [must he bring]? Three logs.

Whence do we know that if he desired to bring more he may do so? Because the text states, Shall be.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Ibid. 15.');">¹⁰</span>

We might suppose that he may bring less, the text therefore states, After this manner.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Num. XV, 13; stated with reference to the drink-offerings.');">⁹</span> IF 'OIL'.

HE MUST BRING NOT LESS THAN ONE LOG; BUT RABBI SAYS, NOT LESS THAN THREE LOGS. On what principle do they differ? - The scholars suggested to R'Papa.

They differ as to whether we say, 'Deduce from it and again from it'. Or 'Deduce from it and establish it in its own place'.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' V. supra p. 368, n. 1.');">¹¹</span>

The Rabbis<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The first Tanna of our MISHNAH:');">¹²</span> are of the opinion that we say, 'Deduce from it and again from it'.

Thus ['deduce from it']: as one may offer a meal-offering as a freewill-offering, so one may offer oil; and 'again from it': as the meal-offering needs but one log [of oil], so the offering of oil needs but one log. Rabbi, however, is of the opinion that we say, 'Deduce from it and establish it in its own place'.

Thus: as one may offer a meal-offering as a freewill-offering, so one may offer oil as a freewill-offering; and 'establish it in its own place': it shall be the drink-offerings [of wine]: as the drink-offerings [of wine] require three logs, so the offering of oil requi three logs. Thereupon R'Papa said to them, If Rabbi derived it from the meal-offering [he would certainly have said that the minimum quantity was one log], for all are of the opinion that we say 'Deduce from it and again from it'.

The fact is, however, that Rabbi derived it from the expression 'Home-born'.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Ibid. 13. And just as it was deduced from this expression that wine may be offered by itself as a freewill-offering. Rabbi also derives therefrom that oil may similarly be offered as a freewill-offering. Accordingly wine and oil are to be on a par, and as wine requires a minimum of three logs so it is with oil too.');">¹³</span> R'Huna son of R'Nathan said to R'Papa.

How can you say so?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' That Rabbi derives the rule that oil may be offered as a freewill-offering from the drink-offerings and not from the meal-offering.');">¹⁴</span> Behold it has been taught: Offering:<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lev. II, 1; stated with reference to the freewill meal-offering.');">¹⁵</span> this teaches us that a man may offer oil as a freewilloffering. And how much [must he bring]? Three logs. Now whom have you heard say, Three logs. It is only Rabbi; and yet he derives it from the expression 'offering'! - He replied, If was taught, it was taught.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' 'I admit then that I am wrong.'');">¹⁶</span> [IF HE SAID,] 'I SPECIFIED [HOW MUCH I WOULD OFFER] BUT I DO NOT KNOW WHAT QUANTITY I SPECIFIED', HE MUST BRING THAT QUANTITY WHICH IS THE MOST THAT IS BROUGHT ON ANY ONE DAY. A Tanna taught: Like the first day of the Feast [of Tabernacles] when it falls on a Sabbath.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' On this day were offered thirteen bullocks, two rams, and eighteen lambs, v. Num. XXIX, 12ff; and as for each bullock were required six logs of wine and of oil, for each ram four logs; and for each lamb three logs, the total number of logs of wine, and similarly of oil, offered on this day was 140.');">¹⁷</span> <big><b>MISHNAH: </b></big>[IF A MAN SAID,] 'I TAKE UPON MYSELF TO OFFER A BURNT-OFFERING,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Which must be a male animal.');">¹⁸</span> HE MUST BRING A LAMB.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' This is the least expensive animal that can be offered as a burnt-offering. rec');">¹⁹</span> R'ELEAZAR B. AZARIAH SAID, [HE MAY BRING] A TURTLE-DOVE OR A YOUNG PIGEON. [IF HE SAID,] 'I SPECIFIED A BEAST OF THE HERD<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' vnvc');">²⁰</span> BUT I DO NOT KNOW WHAT IT WAS I SPECIFIED', HE MUST BRING A BULL AND A BULL CALF. [IF HE SAID, 'I SPECIFIED] A BEAST OF THE CATTLE<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' .');">²¹</span> BUT I DO NOT KNOW WHAT IT WAS I SPECIFIED', HE MUST BRING A BULL, A BULL CALF, A RAM, A HE-GOAT, A HE-KID. AND A HE-LAMB. [IF HE SAID,] 'I SPECIFIED [SOME KIND] BUT I DO NOT KNOW WHAT IT WAS I SPECIFIED',