Commentary for Kiddushin 11:12
וכן אמר ר"א א"ר אושעיא והוא שעסוקין באותו ענין כתנאי רבי אומר והוא שעסוקין באותו ענין ר' אלעזר בר ר"ש אומר אע"פ שאין עסוקין באותו ענין
- But it means thus: If he says in Judea, 'Be thou my harufah,' she is betrothed, because in Judea an arusah is called harufah. What are the circumstances:<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Of the above expressions, concerning which the scholars were in doubt.');"><sup>17</sup></span>
Daf Shevui to Kiddushin
Several amoraim comment on R. Yose’s opinion in the baraita according to which the husband need not make any declaration. They clarify that he must at least be talking about “that topic” meaning her betrothal or divorce.
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Daf Shevui to Kiddushin
There is a tannaitic dispute as to whether they actually have to be talking about betrothal or divorce for the act to be valid without an explicit statement. But R. Elazar holds that they don’t even need to be talking about the betrothal or divorce. But this seems perplexing—how does she know what he’s doing? Abaye explains that the betrothal or divorce is valid only if they were at least talking somewhat about the matter.
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