Reference for Shabbat 269:13

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R. Joseph said: It is certainly a suppressed foreskin. R. Joseph said: Whence do I know it? Because it was taught, R. Eliezer ha-Kappar said: Beth Shammai and Beth Hillel do not disagree concerning him who is born circumcised, that one must cause a few drops of the covenant blood to flow from him. Concerning what do they differ? As to whether the Sabbath is desecrated on his account: Beth Shammai maintain, We desecrate the Sabbath on his account; while Beth Hillel rule: We must not desecrate the Sabbath on his account. Does it then not follow that the first Tanna holds, We desecrate the Sabbath for him?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Even in Beth Hillel's opinion. Hence Beth Hillel must hold that it is certainly a suppressed foreskin. ');">¹²</span> But perhaps the first Tanna maintains that all agree that we may not desecrate the Sabbath for him? — If so, R. Eliezer ha-Kappar comes to teach us Beth Shammai's view!<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Surely that is of no interest, since the halacha is as Beth Hillel. ');">¹³</span> But perhaps he means this: Beth Shammai and Beth Hillel did not disagree in this matter!<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Thus: the first Tanna maintains that Beth Shammai and Beth Hillel agree that we may not desecrate the Sabbath; hence their controversy must refer to weekdays, Beth Hillel holding that no blood-flow at all is required, whereupon R. Eleazar ha-Kappar stated that this is incorrect, there being no dispute in respect to weekdays, for even Beth Hillel necessitate a blood-flow, and they differ only in respect of the Sabbath. On this interpretation he informs us of Beth Hillel's view in respect to weekdays. ');">¹⁴</span> R. Assi said: He whose mother is defiled through confinement must be circumcised at eight [days], but he whose mother is not defiled through confinement<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' E.g., if the child is not born in the usual manner but extracted through the cesarean section; or if a Gentile woman gives birth and becomes a proselyte the following day. ');">¹⁵</span> is not circumcised on the eighth day,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' But immediately. ');">¹⁶</span> because it is said, If a woman conceive seed, and bear a man child, then she shall be unclean, etc. … And in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lev. XII, 2f. Thus the two are interdependent. ');">¹⁷</span> Said Abaye to him, Let the early generations<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Viz., those preceding the giving of the Torah. ');">¹⁸</span> prove [the reverse], where the mother was not defiled through confinement,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The law of defilement being as yet non-existent. ');">¹⁹</span> yet circumcision was of the eighth day!<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' In accordance with God's command to Abraham; v. Gen. XVII, 12. ');">²⁰</span> — The Torah was given, replied he,

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