Talmud for Pesachim 69:15

איתער בהו רב אידי בר אבין אמר להו דרדקי היינו טעמא דריש לקיש משום דהוו להו מי פירות

kareth is not incurred for its leaven. R'Huna son of R'Joshua objected to R'Papa: If he dissolves it25 and swallows it, if it is leaven, he punished with kareth; while if it is unleavened bread, he does not discharge his obligation therewith on Passover.26 Now here, though a man does not discharge his obligation therewith as unleavened bread, yet kareth is incurred for its leaven? - [Thereupon] R'Idi B'Abin awoke [and] said to them, Children! This is the reason of Resh Lakish, because they are fruit juice,27

Jerusalem Talmud Pesachim

It was stated²⁰²Tosephta 2:17, Ḥallah 1:1; Babli 35a.: “Rebbi Joḥanan ben Nuri said, qeramit²⁰³According to the Geonim (Ozar Hageonim Pesaḥim p. 33) a grain growing wild among reeds in swamps, used as human food in times of famine. In the opinion of I. Löw, (Flora der Juden l, p. 703) Glyceria fluitans. a grain preferring swampy ground, frequently used for animal feed, also for soups and flour. {Also cf. Latin gramen, -inis, n. “grass, dog’s grass” (Plin. Hist. Nat.24,19,118, §178) (E.G.)}. is obligated for ḥallah.” Rebbi Joḥanan ben Nuri said, ²⁰⁴Here starts a Genizah text edited by L Ginzberg (Yerushalmi Fragments from the Genizah. New York 1909, pp. 102–115.) it can be either mazzah or leavened., but the rabbis say, it cannot be either mazzah or leavened. Let them check! They disagree about the outcome of the checking. Rebbi Joḥanan ben Nuri said, they checked and found that it can be either mazzah or leavened., but the rabbis say, they checked and did not find that it can be either mazzah or leavened.

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