Talmud Bavli
Talmud Bavli

Arakhin 33

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פורענות מזדמנת לו

Retribution is prepared for him.

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תניא רבי אליעזר הגדול אומר

It was taught: R'Eliezer the great said: If the Holy One, blessed be He, wished to enter in judgment with Abraham, Isaac or Jacob, not [even] they could stand before His reproof! As it is said: Now therefore stand still, that I may plead with you before the Lord concerning all the righteous acts of the Lord, which He did to you and to your fathers.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I Sam. XII, 7.');"><sup>1</sup></span>

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אלמלא בא הקב"ה עם אברהם יצחק ויעקב בדין אין יכולין לעמוד מפני תוכחה שנאמר

[It is written:] Such is the generation of them that seek after Him, that seek Thy face, even Jacob.

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(שמואל א יב, ז) ועתה התיצבו ואשפטה אתכם לפני ה' את כל צדקות ה' אשר עשה אתכם ואת אבותיכם

Selah.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Ps. XXIV, 6.');"><sup>2</sup></span>

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(תהלים כד, ו) זה דור דורשיו מבקשי פניך יעקב סלה פליגי בה רבי יהודה נשיאה ורבנן חד אמר

R'Judah Nesi'ah<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The Prince, R. Judah II.');"><sup>3</sup></span>

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דור לפי פרנס וחד אמר

and the Rabbis differ [as to the meaning]: One says, as the leader, so the generation; the other: as the generation, so the leader.

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פרנס לפי דורו

For what practical purpose [is this discussion]?

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למאי הלכתא

Would you say: It refers to virtue so that one holds: if the generation is virtuous, so is the leader; the other view being: if the leader is virtuous, so is the generation; but surely there is Zedekiah who was virtuous, whereas his generation was not so; and there is Jehoiakim who was not virtuous, whilst his generation was so.

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אילימא למעליותא דמר סבר

For R'Johanan said in the name of R'Simeon B'Yohai: What is the meaning of: In the beginning of the reign of Jehoiakim, the son of Josiah, king of Judah?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Jer. XXVI, 1.');"><sup>4</sup></span>

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אי מעלי דרא מעלי פרנס ומר סבר

The Holy One, blessed be He, wanted to reduce the world to formlessness and emptiness because of Jehoiakim, but when He considered His generation.

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אי מעלי פרנס מעלי דרא

His anger subsided.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The emphasis is on the phrase in the beginning used instead of simply 'in the first year', v. Sanh. Sonc. ed., p. 699 notes.');"><sup>5</sup></span>

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הא איכא צדקיה דהוה מעלי ודריה לא הוה מעלי והא יהויקים דלא הוה מעלי ודריה הוה מעלי

The Holy One, blessed be He, wanted to reduce the world to formlessness and emptiness because of the generation of Zedekiah, but when he considered Zedekiah, his anger subsided? - Rather, it refers to anger and gentleness respectively.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The temperament of the leader, gentle or otherwise, depends upon the spirit of his time.');"><sup>6</sup></span>

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דאמר רבי יוחנן משום רבי שמעון בן יוחי מאי דכתיב

<big><b>MISHNAH: </b></big>AS TO THE SUFFICIENCY OF MEANS,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' V. Lev. XXVII, 8.');"><sup>7</sup></span>

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(ירמיהו כו, א) בראשית ממלכות יהויקים מלך יהודה

THIS SHALL BE DONE ACCORDING TO THE ABILITY OF HIM WHO VOWS.

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ביקש הקב"ה להחזיר את העולם לתוהו ובהו בשביל יהויקים כיון שנסתכל בדורו נתיישבה דעתו

AND [WHEN ACCORDING TO] THE YEARS OF HIS AGE, THIS SHALL BE ACCORDING TO HIM WHO IS THE SUBJECT OF THE VOW.

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ביקש הקדוש ברוך הוא להחזיר את העולם לתוהו ובהו מפני דורו של צדקיהו כיון שנסתכל בצדקיהו נתיישבה דעתו

AS FOR VALUATIONS,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Explained in Mishnah infra 18a.');"><sup>8</sup></span>

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אלא לענין תוקפא וניחותא קאמרינן:

THIS SHALL BE ACCORDING TO HIM WHO IS THE SUBJECT OF THE VALUATION.

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<br><br><big><strong>הדרן עלך יש בערכין</strong></big><br><br>

AND THE VALUATIONS [SHALL BE PAID ACCORDING TO THE RATE PRESCRIBED] AT THE TIME OF THE VALUATION.

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מתני׳ <big><strong>השג</strong></big> יד בנודר והשנים בנידר והערכין בנערך והערך בזמן הערך

AS TO THE SUFFICIENCY OF MEANS, THIS SHALL BE ACCORDING TO THE MAN WHO VOWS'.

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השג יד בנודר כיצד

HOW IS THAT?

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עני שהעריך את העשיר נותן ערך עני ועשיר שהעריך את העני נותן ערך עשיר

IF A POOR MAN EVALUATED A RICH MAN, HE SHALL PAY ONLY THE VALUATION OF A POOR MAN.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e., according to his means.');"><sup>9</sup></span>

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אבל בקרבנות אינו כן הרי שאמר קרבנו של מצורע זה עלי היה מצורע עני מביא קרבן עני עשיר מביא קרבן עשיר

BUT IF A RICH MAN EVALUATED A POOR MAN, HE MUST PAY THE VALUATION OF A RICH MAN.

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רבי אומר אומר אני

BUT IT IS NOT SO WITH OFFERINGS.

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אף בערכין כן וכי מפני מה עני שהעריך את העשיר נותן ערך עני שאין העשיר חייב כלום

IF A MAN SAID: I TAKE UPON MYSELF THE OFFERING OF THIS LEPER, AND THE LEPER WAS POOR, HE BRINGS THE OFFERING OF A POOR MAN.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lev. XIV, 21-32.');"><sup>10</sup></span>

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אבל עשיר שאמר

BUT IF THE LEPER WAS RICH, HE MUST BRING THE OFFERING OF A RICH MAN.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Ibid. 10.');"><sup>11</sup></span>

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ערכי עלי ושמע עני ואמר

RABBI SAYS: I SAY THE SAME APPLIES WITH REGARD TO A VALUATION.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' There are two views as to what Rabbi means: (i) Rabbi disagrees with the Tanna, for according to the former, a poor man would under all circumstances incur no liability beyond that of a poor man's valuation, i.e., according to his means; even though he heard the rich man vow his own valuation and thereupon he (the poor man) said: I take upon myself what this man has said. According to Rabbi, however, in such a case the poor man would be liable to pay the rich man's (i.e., the normal) valuation, since in saying: 'I take upon myself what this man has said' he deliberately assumes the full liability, and he would owe the sum until able to pay it. (ii) Maimonides interprets Rabbi's attitude to be in accord with the first Tanna's, opposing only the suggestion that it is not so with offerings'. because if the same conditions which prevail at the leper's vow prevailed in the case of a valuation, the same rules would apply, according to the view of the Tanna which Rabbi holds.');"><sup>12</sup></span>

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מה שאמר זה עלי נותן ערך עשיר:

WHY IS A POOR MAN WHO EVALUATED A RICH MAN OBLIGED TO PAY ONLY THE VALUATION OF A POOR MAN?

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<big><strong>גמ׳</strong></big> השג יד במעריך הוא

BECAUSE THE RICH MAN HAD NOT INCURRED ANY LIABILITY WHATSOEVER'BUT IF THE RICH MAN SAID: I EVALUATE MYSELF' AND THE POOR MAN, HEARING THAT, SAID: WHAT THIS MAN HAS SAID, I TAKE UPON MYSELF, THEN HE MUST PAY THE VALUATION OF A RICH MAN.

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כדכתי'

<big><b>GEMARA: </b></big>Surely 'sufficiency of means' is written only in connection with evaluation?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Our Mishnah uses the term 'vows' instead of 'evaluates', whereas the rule of paying according to one's means applies not to the vower (of a man's market value) , but to the valuations.');"><sup>13</sup></span>

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(ויקרא כז, ח) אשר תשיג יד הנודר יעריכנו הכהן

As it is written: According to the means of him that vowed shall the priest value him.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The Torah uses in this particular case 'vowing' in its general meaning, which includes also the vowing of one's valuation, that is why the Mishnah, too, uses the same term, not in the stricter but in the general sense. (Lev. XXVII, 8) .');"><sup>14</sup></span>

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השנים בנידר

But is [payment according to] the years of his age with regard to one [whose worth has been] vowed, is it not only [stated] with regard to one who has been subject to valuation? - Since he [the Tanna] had spoken of 'sufficiency of means' in connection with 'one who vows', he speaks, touching the years, also of one who had been the subject of a vow.

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בנערך הוא

AS TO SUFFICIENCY OF MEANS, THIS SHALL BE ACCORDING TO THE MAN WHO VOWS'.

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איידי דאמר

HOW IS THAT?

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השג יד בנודר אמר נמי

IF A POOR MAN EVALUATED A RICH MAN HE SHALL PAY ONLY THE VALUATION OF A POOR MAN.

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השנים בנידר:

But why?

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השג יד בנודר כיצד

Scripture said: 'According to the means of him that vowed', i.e., the Divine Law made it dependent upon him who 'vowed'.

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עני שהעריך את העשיר נותן ערך עני:

BUT IT IS NOT SO WITH OFFERINGS.

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מ"ט

IF A MAN SAID: I TAKE UPON MYSELF THE OFFERING OF THIS LEPER'AND THE LEPER WAS POOR, HE BRINGS THE OFFERING OF A POOR MAN.

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דאמר קרא

This means although he who vowed is rich! But did not the Divine Law say: And if he be poor,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lev. XIV, 21.');"><sup>15</sup></span>

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אשר תשיג יד הנודר בנודר תלה רחמנא

and he [who vowed] is not poor?

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אבל בקרבנות אינו כן הרי שאמר קרבנו של מצורע זה עלי היה מצורע עני מביא קרבן עני

Said R'Isaac: This refers to the case where he who vowed [too] was poor.

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ואע"ג דמדירו עשיר

But perhaps the All Merciful spared only [the leper] himself, but not him who vowed, as it is written: [If] he [be too poor]?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The suggestion is that the Torah, out of pity for a poor leper, would allow him to bring the lesser sacrifice, but might not be willing to extend the same consideration to a healthy poor man, who without any compulsion assumed his liability.');"><sup>16</sup></span>

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(ויקרא יד, כא) ואם דל הוא אמר רחמנא ולא דל הוא

- Said R'Adda B'Ahabah: 'And his means suffice not',<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Ibid.');"><sup>17</sup></span>

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אמר רבי יצחק

includes him who vows.

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כשהיה מדירו עני

But if he who vows were a rich man, would he indeed have to bring the offering of a rich man?

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ודלמא עליה דידיה חס רחמנא אמדירו לא דהכתיב

If so, what means BUT IT IS NOT SO WITH OFFERINGS?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' When the same regulation applies to them too.');"><sup>18</sup></span>

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הוא

-

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אמר רב אדא בר אהבה

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ואין ידו משגת לרבות את הנודר

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אבל מדירו עשיר הכי נמי דמייתי בעשירות

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א"כ מאי אבל בקרבנות אינו כן

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