Chullin 221

ומשום שמנוניתא משום דמא מאי

and the point is about the fat;<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' So that the liver of a trefah animal, when cooked with other pieces of flesh, will render those pieces forbidden not because of the blood, but because of the fat of the liver which has been absorbed by those pieces. On the other hand, if the liver of a permitted animal was cooked in the same pot with trefah meat, it would not be rendered forbidden, because whilst it is discharging blood it would not be able to absorb anything.');">¹</span>

כי הדר סליק אשכחיה לר' זריקא

[what I wish to know is] the law about the blood'?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The question is. Will the blood discharged from a liver that is permitted render the other pieces in the pot forbidden or not?');">²</span>

אמר ליה

When he went up [to Palestine] a second time he met R'Zerika who told him [in reply].'

האי נמי לא תבעי לך דאנא וינאי בריה דרבי אמי איקלען לבי יהודה בריה דר' שמעון בן פזי וקריבו לן קניא בקופיה ואכלנא

This, too, should not cause you any doubt, for I and Jannai the son of R'Ammi once came to the house of Judah the son of R'Simeon B'Pazzi, and we were served with the windpipe and its appendages<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The windpipe and its appendages, i.e., the lungs, liver and heart, had all been cooked together In one Rot.');">³</span>

מתקיף לה רב אשי ואיתימא ר' שמואל מזרוקיניא

and we ate them.'

ודלמא פי קנה חוץ לקדרה הוה אי נמי מיחלט הוה חליט ליה מעיקרא

R'Ashi, others say.

כי הא דרב הונא חלטי ליה בחלא ורב נחמן חלטי ליה ברותחין

R'Samuel of Zerukinia,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Near Nehar Azak, east of Tigris; v. Obermeyer, p. 80.');">⁴</span>

וסבר רב פפא קמיה דרבא למימר

demurred [at any proof from this] saying.

חלא אסיר אמר ליה

Perhaps there the mouth of the windpipe was outside the pot?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' So that whatever blood was discharged from the liver ran off outside the pot and nothing in the pot could have been affected by it.');">⁵</span>

אי חלא אסיר איהו נמי אסיר כי היכי דפליט הדר בלע

Or perhaps it [the liver] was first dipped?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Either in vinegar or in boiling water to cause contraction of the pores so that nothing at all would exude from it.');">⁶</span>

רב בר שבא איקלע לבי רב נחמן אייתו ליה כבדא שליקא ולא אכל אמרו ליה

For R'Huna used to dip it in vinegar, and R'Nahman used to dip it in boiling hot water.

בר בי רב דלגיו לא אכיל

R.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' So var. lec.; cur. edd. 'And R. Papa etc.'.');">⁷</span>

ומנו רב בר שבא אמר להו רב נחמן

Papa once suggested to Raba that the vinegar [in which the liver was dipped] should be forbidden, but Raba answered him thus: If the vinegar is forbidden then it [the liver] too should be forbidden, for just as it exudes [its juice into the vinegar] it will later on absorb it.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' In truth, however, the effect of the vinegar is to harden the liver and close up its pores so that nothing at all can exude from it; this being so, the vinegar is also permitted. tehka');">⁸</span>

גאמו לשבא כתנאי ר' אליעזר אומר

Rab B'Shabba once visited R'Nahman's house and was served with well-cooked<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' V. n. 3.');">⁹</span>

הכבד אוסרת ואינה נאסרת מפני שפולטת ואינה בולעת

liver but he would nor eat it.

ר' ישמעאל בנו של ר' יוחנן בן ברוקה אומר

Thereupon they told him [R'Nahman].'

מתובלת אוסרת ונאסרת שלוקה אוסרת ונאסרת

There's a young scholar inside, namely Rab B'Shabba, who will not eat it.'

רבה בר רב הונא אקלע לבי רבה בר רב נחמן אייתי לקמיה תלת סאוי טחאי

R'Nahman replied.'

אמר להו

Force Shabba to eat it.'

מי הוה ידעיתו דאתינא

This indeed is a matter of dispute between Tannaim: R'Eliezer says.

אמרו ליה

The liver renders [other pieces in the pot] forbidden but is not itself rendered forbidden, because it exudes and does not absorb.

מי עדיפת לן מינה דכתיב (ישעיהו נח, יג) וקראת לשבת עונג

R'Ishmael the son of R'Johanan B'Berokah says: If it [the liver] was seasoned with spices<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The spices soften the liver and render it more susceptible to absorb into it other juice. veuka');">¹⁰</span>

אדהכי אשכח ההוא כבדא דהוה בה סמפונא דבליעא דמא

it renders others forbidden and is itself also rendered forbidden; [and so too] if it was well-cooked<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' term denoting 'well-cooked', cf. n. 3 mut. mut.');">¹¹</span>

אמר להו

it renders others forbidden and is itself also rendered forbidden.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' [Thus those who ate the liver after cooking it well (supra p. 610) follow the view of' R. Eliezer whilst R. Shaba follows the view of R. Ishmael, Adreth Hiddushim.]');">¹²</span>

אמאי עבדיתו הכי

Rabbah son of R'Huna once visited the house of Rabbah son of R'Nahman and was served with three se'ahs of honey-cakes.

אמרו ליה

He said to them,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Sc. the members of the household.');">¹³</span>

אלא היכי נעביד

Did you know that I was coming?

אמר להו

They replied.

קרעו שתי וערב וחיתוכא לתחת

You are no more important than it,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Sc. the Sabbath.');">¹⁴</span>

וה"מ כבדא אבל טחלא שומנא בעלמא הוא

and it is written.

כי הא דשמואל עבדי ליה תבשילא דטחלי ביומא דעביד מלתא

And call the sabbath a delight.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Isa. LVIII. 13. The cakes had been prepared for the Sabbath.');">¹⁵</span>

אתמר

In the meantime he noticed a liver and in the artery thereof there was much blood.

כבדא עילוי בשרא שרי דמא משרק שריק כחלא עילוי בשרא אסור מאי טעמא חלב סרוכי מסריך

He said to them: Is it right to do so?

רב דימי מנהרדעא מתני אפכא

They replied.

כחלא עילוי בשרא שרי מ"ט חלב שחוטה דרבנן כבדא עילוי בשרא אסור דם דאורייתא

What then should we do?

דרש מרימר הלכתא

He said.

בין כבדא בין כחלא תותי בשרא שרי

Cut it open lengthwise and breadthwise, and the part cut should be below.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' When roasting the liver the cut should be turned to the fire so that the blood should flow out directly and not run on to any other part of the liver.');">¹⁶</span>

עילוי בשרא דיעבד אין לכתחלה לא

This is so<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' That it must be cut up lengthwise and breadthwise.');">¹⁷</span>

רב אשי איקלע לבי רמי בר אבא חמוה חזייה לבריה דרמי בר אבא דקא

only with the liver, but as to the spleen it contains merely a fatty juice.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' It does not contain much blood, and so does not need to be cut up.');">¹⁸</span> Thus on the day when Samuel was bled they prepared for him spleen broth. It was stated: [To roast] the liver on top of meat, is permitted, for the blood glides off;<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The blood that is drawn out of the liver will not be absorbed by the meat but will run of the meat and drip on to the fire, and so the meat is permitted.');">¹⁹</span> [to roast] the udder on top of meat is forbidden because the milk clings [to and penetrates into the meat]. R'Dimi of Nehardea reports this just the reverse thus, [To roast] the udder on top of meat, is permitted, because the milk of a slaughtered animal is but a Rabbinic prohibition; liver on top of meat is forbidden because the blood is a Biblical prohibition. Meremar declared in a public exposition: The law is, both with regard to the liver and the udder: under meat, it is permitted; on top of meat, it is permitted only after the act, but one may not do so in the first instance. R'Ashi once visited the house of Rami B'Abba his father-in-law when he saw the son of Rami B'Abba