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אבל במומין שבגלוי אינו יכול לטעון ואם יש מרחץ באותה העיר אף מומין שבסתר אינו יכול לטעון מפני שהוא בודקה בקרובותיו:

but with regard to defects that are exposed he cannot make any claim. b) And if there was a bath-house in the town he cannot make any claim even about concealed defects, because he [is assumed to have had her] examined by his female relatives.

<big><strong>גמ׳</strong></big> טעמא דמייתי האב ראיה הא לא מייתי האב ראיה הבעל מהימן מני רבי יהושע היא דאמר לא מפיה אנו חיין

GEMARA. The reason then is because the father brought proof, but if he did not bring proof, the husband is believed. Whose [view is this]? It is that of R. Joshua who stated, “We do not live by her words.”

אימא סיפא נכנסה לרשות הבעל הבעל צריך להביא ראיה טעמא דמייתי הבעל ראיה הא לא מייתי הבעל ראיה האב מהימן אתאן לר"ג דאמר נאמנת א"ר אלעזר תברא מי ששנה זו לא שנה זו

Now read the final clause: If she came into her husband’s domain, the husband must bring proof. The reason then is because the husband brought proof, but if he did not bring proof, the father is believed. [This is the view of] R. Gamaliel who stated that the woman is believed! R. Elazar replied: The mishnah is broken--he who taught the one did not teach the other.

אמר רבא לא תימא רבי יהושע לא אזיל בתר חזקה דגופא כלל אלא כי לא אזיל ר' יהושע בתר חזקה דגופא היכא דאיכא חזקה דממונא

Rava said: Do not say that R. Joshua never follows the principle of the presumption about the body. Rather R. Joshua does not follow the principle of the presumption of the body only where it is opposed by the principle of possession.

אבל היכא דליכא חזקה דממונא אזיל רבי יהושע בתר חזקה דגופא דתניא אם בהרת קודם לשער לבן טמא אם שער לבן קודם לבהרת טהור ספק טמא ור' יהושע אומר כהה מאי כהה אמר רבה כהה טהור

When the principle of possession is not applicable R. Joshua does follow the presumption of the body; For it was taught: If the bright spot preceded the white hair, he is impure; if the white hair preceded the bright spot, he is pure. [If the order is in] doubt, he is unclean; but R. Joshua said: It darkened. What is meant by “it darkened”? Rabbah said: [It is as though the spot] darkened [and, therefore,] he is clean.

רבא אמר רישא כאן נמצאו וכאן היו סיפא נמי כאן נמצאו וכאן היו

Rava explained: The first clause [is a case of] “Here they were found and here they must have happened” and the final clause is also a case of, “Here they were found and here they must have happened.”

איתיביה אביי נכנסה לרשות הבעל הבעל צריך להביא ראיה שעד שלא תתארס היו בה מומין אלו והיה מקחו מקח טעות עד שלא תתארס אין משתתארס לא ואמאי לימא כאן נמצאו וכאן היו

Abaye raised an objection against him: If she entered her husband’s, the husband must prove that she had these defects before she had been betrothed and [that, consequently,] his acquisition was made in error. He must prove that they were there before betrothal, but it would not be sufficient if he proved they were there after betrothal! But why not? Let him say, “here they were found, and here they happened.”

א"ל משנתארסה משום דאיכא למימר חזקה אין אדם שותה בכוס אא"כ בודקו והאי ראה וניפייס הוא

He said back: [The principle cannot be applied if the defects were discovered] after she had been betrothed because we can assume that no man drinks out of a cup unless he has first examined it; and this man must consequently have seen [the defects] and acquiesced.

אי הכי עד שלא תתארס נמי אלא אמרינן חזקה אין אדם מיפייס במומין הכא נמי חזקה אין אדם מיפייס במומין

If so, [the same principle should apply] also to one [who had defects] prior to her betrothal. Rather, we must say that there is a presumption a man would not be reconciled to bodily defects. But then here too a man would not be reconciled to bodily defects?

אלא משנתארסה משום דאיכא תרתי חזקה העמד הגוף על חזקתו וחזקה אין אדם שותה בכוס אא"כ בודקו והאי ראה וניפייס הוא מאי אמרת חזקה אין אדם מיפייס במומין הוי

Rather, [this is the explanation]: After she had been betrothed there are two [principles]: The presumption that one can place the body in its previous presumed status and the presumption that no man drinks out of a cup without first examining it, and he saw her and was reconciled. What can you say? That there is a presumption that a man would not be reconciled to defects,